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Blaine: scroll down for the truth--ho
hum.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:47
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins
found in Kentucky?
I'm sorry Blaine you want more on the witnesses?
"...neither did I ever hear of such a thing as an angel ordaining
them until I got into Ohio about the year 1834--or later. Oliver
stated to me in Joseph's presence that they had baptized each other--seeking
by that to fulfill the command. And after our arrival at fathers sometime in
June 1829, Joseph ordained Oliver to be an Elder, and Oliver ordained Joseph
to be an Elder in the Church of Christ." David Whitmer Interviews, page 154.
Whitmer said "If you believe my testimony to the Book of
Mormon; if you believe that God spake to us three witnesses by his
own voice, then I tell you that in June, 1838, God spake to me again
by his own voice from the heavens, and told me to 'separate myself from among
the Latter-day Saints...'"
Address to all believers in Christ, p27, 1887
Blaine: Oliver was
reported to have said this hearsay, but noone was able to come up with an
exact time or place. It was probably a lie in the first
place. Cowdery rejoined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints in Kanesville, Iowa, and bore the following testimony to the Saints
present fo the conference in 1848. He died in 1850.
Oliver Cowdery, no longer a member of the LDS
Church, testified to all those present that the Book of Mormon was true.
Eventually Oliver left his law practice and journeyed to Kanesville, Iowa,
with his wife and daughter and finally reunited with the Mormon Church in
1848. Before he was baptized he bore his testimony to the congregation of the
church which had gathered for a conference.
�I wrote, with my own pen, the entire
Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the
Prophet Joseph, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by the
means of the Urim and Thummim, or as it is called by the book, Holy
Interpreters. I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold
plates from which it was transcribed. I also saw with my eyes and handled
with my hands the Holy Interpreters. That book is true. ...It
contains the everlasting gospel, and came forth to the children of men in
fulfillment of the revelations of John, where he says he saw an angel come
with the everlasting gospel to preach to every nation, kindred, tongue and
people. It contains principles of salvation; and if you, my hearers, will
walk by its light and obey its precepts, you will be saved with an
everlasting salvation in the kingdom of God on high.� (Jenson,
1:246; italics added.)
Oliver rejoined the Church and prepared to journey to
Utah to unite with the main body of the Latter-day Saints but he died while
living temporarily in Richmond Missouri. Oliver Cowdery had contracted
tuberculosis. His dying breaths were spent testifying of the truthfulness of
the Book of Mormon. Lucy P. Young, his half-sister, was at his bedside and
reported:
�Oliver Cowdery just before breathing his
last, asked his attendants to raise him up in bed that he might talk to the
family and his friends, who were present. He then told them to live
according to the teachings contained in the Book of Mormon, and promised
them, if they would do this, that they would meet him in heaven. He then
said, �Lay me down and let me fall asleep.� A few moments later he died
without a struggle.� (Ibid.)
Blaine Borrowman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: Kevin is right about the
apostacies, wrong about the credibility of the witnessing. The 12 men
never denied their testimonies, even after they had apostasized. Most,
including two of the three witnesses who saw the angel, repented, and
rejoined the LDS Church after it had moved to Utah. The third one, the
only one not to rejoin, continued to accept interviews up to his very
deathbed, and maintained steadfastly he had seen and heard all that he
signed his name to. He often retold the story, never deviating from
the original. As usual, Kevin doesn't give the full story or
even relevant facts.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:19
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew
Coins found in Kentucky?
These witnesses had no conviction.
The things they "saw" made NO DIFFERENCE in their lives
ALL of the 3 Witnesses APOSTACIZED
(therefore they were witnesses against the power of the BoM)
4 of the eight Apostacied a fifth dying before he
had a chance to, with the last 3 being SMITHS!
More of a witness against the BoM!
The church was founded in 1830 for 5 years they had NO
APOSTLES!
How could this be?
In 1835 The Elders laid hands on the 12 to appoint them as
Apostles.
How does one that is a Melch Priest commision an Apostle?
Waiting for your answer. (Put this question with all the others you
are unable to answer)
Your first 12 were not duly appointed which breaks your line of
Priests, & Prophets too!
6 of the first 12 Apostacized!
What is with the bad track record?
In addition the D&C call some of these men "wicked", "to
mean to mention" and says some of them "could not tell a true from a false
revelation"
What a great witness you have there Blaine
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Blaine: The problem is, you didn't
give it a fair trial. In any court in America (most courts, except
maybe in Southern states where all those Baptists hang
out--lol), the testimony of two witnesses is enough to prove
innocence--or guilt. The BoM has three
witnesses who saw the angel, the gold plates, the sword
of Laban, the interpreters (Urim and thummim), and the compass used by
Lehi and his group to guide them to the Promised Land, called the
Liahona--plus eight more witnesses
who saw the gold plates. counting Joseph Smith himself, that
makes a total of 12 witnesses. No court--not
even in Alabama--could deny this record.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:08
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old
hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?
How about if we just put the Book
of Mormon on trial, Kevin? OK?
Blaine
It is on trial and is
FOUND WANTING!
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
How about if we just put the Book of
Mormon on trial, Kevin? OK?
Blaine
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 04,
2004 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old
hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?
Have you TRIED that Spirit Baline?
The scripture says TRY THEM!
PUT THEM ON TRIAL
That is the simple fact. I do not have to prove anything. You
choose to ignore the scriptures to your own Demise!
The reason being is you do not want to give up your faith.
You know that JOe & the Prophets & the Church will not
stand simple scrutiny no less a Trial!
Blaine Borrowman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 04,
2004 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Blaine: The story about
JS seeing the words cross the stone inside the hat was never
substantiated. At best, I think he may have used the
hat for effect, probably as a joke, and the rock inside was
not a crystal ball--I have a photo of it, and it is opaque,
with several holes in it. When Oliver Cowdery
tried to translate, nothing happened. That was because
he had not learned to read the writing by himself.
After JS learned the language of the Nephites,
he ceased using the Urim and Thummim, depending mostly
on inspiration to tell him if his own interpretations were
correct.
Have you ever considered that the whole thing was a sad
joke?
Not a crystal ball? What was it there for then?
Who taught JOe to read the ball or writing?
Where did the writing come from? Did it just appear, out
of nothing?
I do not think inspiration is the word it would be
revelation. JOe relied on SPIRITual Revelation for a check on
whether it was so. The question is who was the Spirit he
communicated with?
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but
try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false
prophets are gone out into the world.
Blaine: This scripture (1 John 4:1)
admits the Possibility of spirits that are not of God, but is
general in application. We need to realize that you are
the one actually making the application, Kevin, and so far we
have seen no conclusive evidence your application is the
correct one. It seems to me you are just BUCKING UP
against the goad, or kicking against the pricks, as the
Lord said to Saul.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, March
01, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?
He had the help of seducing spirits, an fallen angel
or two and a crystal ball in his hat. Blaine
Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Blaine:
Oh darn! I only wrote one paragraph, and already
an
inconsistency!! I don't know how that Joseph Smith
made it through so many
pages and made the story so
consistent!!
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 01,
2004 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew
Coins found in Kentucky?
> I don't quite
know how to respond,Blaine. I had always assumed
that
jews
> WERE white????????????????
>
Terry
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>
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday,
March 01, 2004 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Old hebrew Coins found in
Kentucky?
>
>
> > Wrong!! I have
proof there were two old Jews of ancient
vintage
living
> in
> > Utah long
before White man arrived!! Both had long beards, wore
skull
> caps,
> > and had prayer rugs!!
One spoke yiddish, the other one was deaf and
>
dumb,
> > but he could read Hebrew as long as
he had his spectacles. The really
> wierd
>
> part is he also had a battery driven quartz crystal
watch, with the
> numbers
> > in
Aramaic.
> >
> > Blaine
> >
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> > From: "Terry
Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent:
Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:13 AM
> >
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in
Kentucky?
> >
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > >
Blaine,
> > > >
> > > > We
have discussed on the group the fact that there is
no
> > > archaeological
> >! ! ! !
! ! > > evidence of early Hebrew civilizations in
the Americas. However,
I
> was
> >
> > searching an extensive index of treasure
related magazines and
> found
> >
the
> > > > following entry:
> >
> >
> > > > TYPE
TITLE/AUTHOR
> > > > MG DATE PAGE
>
> > > KY ARCHAEOLOGY FOUND: ANCIENT HEBREW
COINS/HENSON LT
JAN
> 80
> > >
31
> > > >
> > > > "LT"
means "Lost Treasure Magazine". Do you know anything
about
> this
> > > > reported find?
I have not tried to get ahold of the article,
so
do
> not
> > > know
> >
> > the nature of the find. I wonder if the
archaeologist consdiered
> them
> > >
> original, or relocated.
> > >
>
> > > > BTW, I was raised in
Kentucky! Do you think I am a Jaredite? :-)
> >
&! amp;! amp;! gt; >
> > > >
Perry
> > > >
> > > I was
also raised in Kentucky and can verify that there was an
old
> > Hebrew
> > > living there
at the time. Mystery solved!
> > >
Terry
> > >
> > >
> >
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