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Sent: April 06, 2004 07:43
Subject: [TruthTalk] Resist the
devil
From: "Lance Muir" <
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Judy, I
can see just how uncomplicated you believe it all to be.
Thankfully, due to the truthfulness of tacit knowing (oops)
you are apprehending HIM even through this panoply of citations
that often don't reflect the meaning you ascribe to them. As God is
gracious one is able to display hermeneutical ineptitude while
being His faithful servant. Blessings, Lance
jt: I guess so Lance, it had to be simple enough for
those
hermeneutically ignorant fishermen also. I guess the
devil will
have nothing to fear re you and your bookstore
eh? jt
From: "Lance Muir" <
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"The
words of Jesus plain and simple".
Many with Him didn't "get it". Many
since (2,000 yrs) haven't "gotten it".
"Plain and simple" just won't cut
it. In this response I'm not referring to
unbelievers. To KNOW HIM is to
know His Word not necessarily His Words.
This, to me, is an obvious
distinction. I believe that you, Judy, KNOW HIM
AND HIS WORD. Nuff said on
that. Lance
jt: I don't believe it is complicated Lance, it becomes so when
mixed
with all men's reasonings, rationalizations etc. that have come down
to us
through the centuries. The disciples who acted fearfully
preceding and
right after the crucifixion were not indwelled by the Holy
Spirit. However,
after Pentecost these same men turned the known world
upside down and
in their generation they did the works of Jesus because
these are recorded
in the book of Acts. By the 2nd Century AD the
professing Church was in
error. Some are doing the works of Jesus now
but these are the minority;
even in Pauls day he could find just one man
likeminded (Phil 2:19-23).
How sad... just one man who cared more
about the things of Christ than
his own affairs. Today in our neck
of the woods there is a lot of talk but
that's about it; the professing
Church are like a bunch of sheep with no
shepherd and they go from fad to
fad. Right now it's the Saddleback
Church thing - I guess they all
want big churches and lots of income. jt
From: "Lance Muir" <
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An
addendum if the sequence is followed:
If it is positive thinking or a
blatant denial of reality that is being
spoken here then look to Robert
Schuller, Mary Baker Eddy or,
encompassing both, the Health & Wealth
Gospel. Lance
jt: I'm aware that their is enough error to go around. I'm not
talking
about "positive thinking" or "negative thinking" "denial"
Schuller, Baker
Eddy, or "godliness as a means of gain" What I
am talking about are the
words of Jesus plain and simple. How
do you explain them
away? jt
From: "Lance Muir" <
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"Being
part of..." Sure! However, I apparently live and work with
people who do
reflect, daily, this "admixture" of which I spoke.
Before you consign these
people to the kingdom of darkness let me
add that they are believers. I
find such in the church, workplace,
parachurch groups, on this site and on
and on.. With all this rather
unrealistic discussion taking place on TT
pertaining to "sinlessness"
I believe that the sort of gnostic dualism
spoken of in recent days
may be alive and well. Lance
jt: Gnostic dualism as per Artemis Lance? Did Jesus leave us
an
example that we should follow in His steps or didn't He? Did
He
say we would do the same works He did and greater or not?
It's
unfortunate and a shame that there is so little spiritual discernment
in those who profess Christ but then it has always been the remnant
who
made it. Only eight saved through the flood and just two of
the
generation that came out of Egypt made it into the Promised
Land.
jt
From: "Lance Muir" <
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Discussions
on the matter of the will, our human will that is,
have ranged from
"bondage" to "freedom". There is, it seems to
me, one consideration of
"will" that borders on indisputable - self will.
I believe that an
admixture of Spirit & self are to be the nature of the
case up to the
point of our "departure". Also, I believe that any
discussion of
sinlessness and humanity in the same sentence
may be applied only to that
Vicarious Humanity of Jesus. Blessings, Lance
jt: So being part of the New Creation with old things passed away
and
all things becoming new has no place in your theology Lance? What
a
dismal prospect. jt
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just
wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him?
Terry
Actually another thought came to my little pea brain. I do not
believe that we can really understand what is meant in scripture in a
discussion of sin and sinlessness if we do not have a grasp of the "practice
if sin."
I put it this way --
Before Christ, I practiced sin and committed acts
of
righteousness.
After the cross in my life, I practice righteousness and
commit acts of sin.
John
