David Miller wrote: > No, Ruben is not allowed to attack you either. > I'm sure the list moderator will take care of all > such problems privately. I stepped in to talk with > you on the list and to make the rules clear because > I had some history with you.
Daniel wrote: > And you have no history with Ruben??? > Hmmm . . .something doesn't add up here, David. What I meant was that the MODERATOR did not have a history with you, so I was stepping in to help the moderator out a little bit. I am the list administrator. Daniel wrote: >>> ALL WOMEN SHOULD STOP POSTING DOCTRINE on this >>> forum or they will burn in Hell for all eternity. David Miller wrote: >> Uh, do you have chapter and verse on this? Daniel wrote: > I Timothy chapter 2. Shall I quote it for you? > > 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. > 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp > authority over the man, but to be in silence. > 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. > 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being > deceived was in the transgression. > 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, > if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with > sobriety. The passage seems to omit the part you have added about burning in Hell for all eternity. We also need to talk about what the word "teach" means here in this particular context. Somehow you equate this with "posting doctrine on this forum." >From my perspective, much of what we call "teaching" in modern times is highly feminized and not at the level being discussed in this passage. The stress in this passage is not teaching, per se, as much as it is the woman not usurping authority over the man. David Miller wrote: >> I believe that women have freedom to share on this forum. >> Titus 2:3 says that the women should be teachers of good >> things. This forum provides a place where women may teach >> others, and also a place for prophecy or prayer, or just >> to share or relay a joke, or tell us about their cat or >> their dog. :-) Daniel wrote: > Scripturally, women may 1. prophecy 2. pray 3. share or > relay a joke 4. tell us about their cat or dog but THEY > MAY NOT TEACH OTHER MEN. Women may teach other women and > children. But the scripture I just quoted is pretty clear. > If women attempt to do what Paul suffured not, those women > will burn for all eternity. By your agreement here that women may prophecy, pray, share, relay a joke, or tell about their cat or dog, you have just agreed that the word "silence" in 1 Timothy 2:11 does not mean absolute silence all the time. In other words, you are interpreting silence in a particular context, and not arguing that women ought to be silent all the time. However, you do not seem to be applying this same method of interpretation to the word "teach." When it comes to the word "teach" you have a much broader application. Daniel wrote: > You brought up Titus 2:3 . . . try completing Paul's > thought by reading verse 4. Women are allowed to teach > OTHER WOMEN. Not other men. My Bible in verse 4 does not say, "not other men." You seem to have added that part. Nevertheless, it does say that women should teach the young women. That was my point. Paul would not contradict himself, so the letter to Timothy which says that he would not allow women to teach should be understood in a specific context. Otherwise, we have contradictory statements. We have Paul in one place teaching Titus that the elder women should be teachers of good things, and in another place telling Timothy that he does not allow women to teach. You reconcile the contradiction by arguing that women may teach other women but not other men. There are other ways of reconciling the apparent contradiction, but before we explore those, let me ask you a question. Did your mother ever teach you? Daniel wrote: > Since you don't seem to yet grasp basic scriptural > truths (such as not suffering a woman to teach > doctrine to men), I do not believe that women should exercise authority over men and teach them from that kind of context. You are not a good listener if you came away thinking that I support women teaching doctrine to men. What you do not seem to comprehend is that we do not allow either men or women on this list to teach in that fashion. We share ideas and viewpoints with one another, but this forum is not for correcting and rebuking and straightening out the minds of one another. Therefore, this list is setup in such a way that both men and women may share freely. Daniel wrote: > let us, for now, refrain from going into the more > meatier and deeper truths in Romans 7. No good > feeding you meat when you still choke on the milk. The milk of Romans 7 is very simple, but you just don't want to hear it. Daniel wrote: > I really don't care if I am banned from this > forum as it is obvious most of you don't have > a clue of even the BASIC fundamentals of scripture. > Pretty sad. This sounds like a very selfish attitude to me. A man of God would be concerned about those who profess Christ who have no clue about the fundamentals of Scripture. A man of God would desire out of a meek heart to help those who are ignorant. Daniel wrote: > So, again, I will tell you David to repent for your > hypocricy in warning me but not warning Ruben and > I will again state that the jezebels on this forum, > such as Judy Taylor, are wicked wretches headed for > eternal torment if they don't repent of their violation > of I Timothy 2. I repent of not warning Ruben earlier. Ruben, you know the rules... no ad hominem arguments. There, are you satisfied now? Now, can we talk about this idea you have that women who address men on this list concerning doctrinal issues are going to burn in Hell for all eternity? Do you have any other verses, or is what you shared the sum of it all? Is this another case of you adding your own words to God's Holy Scriptures? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
