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Jeff in Red:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004
5:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613
Commands
John, start with Acts 15. Realizing that Gentiles
coming into the faith presented a problem for fellowship with Jewish
believers, the council established the BARE MINIMUM of requirements in order
that Gentiles could fellowship with Jews. Then verse 21 tells us that in
time these gentiles would learn Torah. This evening I'll try to expand on
this. I don't have time this morning.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004
21:59
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613
Commands
In a message dated 11/15/2004 5:09:53 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
And there is no difference
between God's commandments and
Jesus' commandments.
1) Does not your view of the commandments include holy
days, and imperatives that involve all of the Mosaical Law with the
exception of the sacrifical laws? Yes John. But
when we learn the commandments we see that many do not apply to each one of
us. Of those that do apply we are to follow the example of Yeshua and obey
them. I find it interresting that the reason mankind cannot keep Torah
is the fact that we CHOOSE not to be obedient. Yes, I include myself in this
statement. Is it possible to obey all of Torah, yes.
2)
Since I am a Gentile -- where in scripture is Mosaical Law bound upon
me in Jesus? I guess that depends on how you view
Yeshua. Is He not the Lamb of God, the Passover Lamb? Thats what 1Cor. 5:7
tells us. Or John 1:29 &1:36. I realize this is a bit worn
out (sort of), but WWJD? Look at the gospel accounts and tell me how
many time the Passover is mentioned and in what context? You will
see that Yeshua and his Talmidim are observing Passover. Hmm, If
Yeshua celebrates Passover shouldn't we? So let me throw these at you
and ask that you explain to me what they mean to you: Exodus 12:19,12:48
(remembering that the Jerusalem Council did away with this one. Though
we may have to discuss this one in detal later, lets skip the bloodshed for
now!), Exodus 12:49, 20:10, 23:12, 16:29, Leviticus 16:29, 17:8-15, 19:34,
there are a lot more in Lev. but I think you can understand the point here.
Numbers 9:14, 15:14, A real biggie in this context, Numbers
15:15,"The community is to have the same rules for you and the
alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to
come. You and the alien shall be the same before YHVH. THE SAME LAWS AND
REGULATIONS WILL APPLY BOTH TO YOU AND TO THE ALIEN LIVING AMONG
YOU." If you really want I can go on and on, but as James said
in the decision in Acts 15:21, "Moses is taught in the assemblies each
Sabbath..." (My translation), the meaning of this verse is that Gentiles
coming into the Kingdom of YHVH would learn the Torah in bite sized portions
and begin to apply Torah as YHVH moved them. I believe we have made
the point clear that you and I agree that the Father and the Son are one and
the same so this shouldn't be too difficult. One point I almost
forgot, depending on your translation, Gentile may be translated, stranger,
alien, foreigner, gentile, etc. from the Hebrew.
3) Am I
nonetheless a brother in Christ ? Definitely Yes, I look
forward to personally meeting you, if not in this time then in the world to
come!!
Jeff
John
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