In regards to your comments on the passage that Izzy brought up (John 17:12), all that Greek analysis of the words translated keep are not really relevant. That whole discussion seems like a big smoke screen to trick those who don't study Greek. The important word is "lost" / "perished" (Greek = "apollumi") and also the phrase, "son of perdition" (a distinctly apocolyptic phrase important in the study of prophecy). These are the hot words in the passage. Do you want to talk about it? There are some other passages that have important bearing on this concept also. Let me know if you have any interest. As far as I am concerned, the idea that Judas is damned to hell fire is a slam dunk.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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