Lance writes: Plato via Plotinus through Augustine into the way of seeing
for some.
Aristotle via Aquinas into the way of seeing for others. The
effect of
ancient Greek philosophy/philosophers on the Christian thought of
some is of
great, great importance. It reflects PAGANISM writ large. It is
present and
it is harmful!
> From: Pete
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December, 2004
19.54
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Hebrew Mindset
>
> >
2. In eschatology, there is the idea that there is no heaven
we
inherit,
> > but that this earth and what is here and
observable with the physical
> > senses is all there is to
reality. The promises of God are all viewed
as
> > belonging
to earth and only the literal earthly fulfillment is in view,
> >
much like the Jehovah's Witnesses share in their eschatology.
Of
course,
> > as with monism, not all Hebrews viewed it this
way. The Pharisees are
an
> > example of a sect of Hebrews
who were more like the Greeks in their way
of
> > thinking.
As you know, the Greeks got their views about the immortality
> > of
the soul and the existence of angels and monotheism (One God) from
>
> Plato. Rather than the seen world being what is real, it is the
unseen
> > world. Remember Plato's talk of "forms"? Early
church fathers like
> > Justin Martyr argued that Plato got his views
from Moses.
>
> > The interesting thing here is that the early
Hebrews often considered
> > their culture to be superior to that of
others. They had pride in the
> > fact that they were descended
from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We see
> > similar tendencies
expressed here from various members on this list who
> > think that
anything other than the ancient Hebrew mindset is sure to
fall
> >
into deception and gross misunderstanding. The feeling that the
Hebrew
> > mindset is superior becomes so strong that it often
becomes a basis for
> > fellowship and for discernment of right and
wrong. It even leads to the
> > rejection of Greek words, so
that "Peter" as a name is rejected and
> > replaced with "Cephas"
instead. The name "Paul" is rejected and
replaced
> > with
"Sha'ul." The name "Jesus" is rejected and replaced with
"Yeshua"
or
> > "Yahshua." The general idea is that if it is
Hebrew it is good and of
> > God, but if it is from Greek origin it
is bad. Therefore, start
thinking
> > and talking like a
Hebrew and you will find godliness. :-) Get the
idea?
>
>
> >Are they serious about this? You mean I am going to
have to learn Greek
> and
> >Hebrew to grow in
grace?
>
> >Pete
>
>
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>
> Good morning, Mr.
Ad Hominem... oops, I mean DavidM. Thank you for
climbing
> into my
head and explaining the cogs and gears you see from within. God
> bless
you for straightening Pete... and me out. I had no idea I
should
have
> been looking to Plato. Was he one of the Elders who ate
with God on the
> mountain? Silly me. Oh, and Pete... Your reply has
really helped me as
well.
> 'Preciate it. Now I know I can't use
Yeshua any more. 'Guess I gotta use
> Jeezus now!
>
> --
slade
>
> ----------
> "Let your speech be always with
grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
know how you ought to answer every
man." (Colossians 4:6)
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