JT: Jonathan, what
you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your business. If
you can
not be part of the
answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this is a
public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick with
your theology.
Judy says: What I
have learned through all of this though is how little love there is among
those who profess godliness. So many seem to want to get in and lay on another
'stripe' - accusation and condemnation reign. Is it any wonder
people lack vulnerability and openness in Church settings? - they would
be eaten alive. Where is the love that covers the multitude of
sin? judyt
Jonathan responds: I
believe this is very much my business.
Your practice of
hypocrisy has been aimed at me many times in the last year. Many posts
with your long list of put-downs towards Godly men I respect and admire, your
rants against theologians and even theology itself have been during
conversations with yours truly. This is very much a �me�
issue. I have reproved you on this very issue
what, half a dozen times in the last year?
And as a case in
point that 1) you give out just as much as you take, and 2) lack the love you
wish others had please see your post above. Your �best to stick with
your theology� has accusation and condemnation all over
it. Where is the love Judy? This
is you laying yet another �stripe�. What we are seeing here
is your defenses running full force against what has
been exposed as your hypocrisy.
When people have
brought your harshness/bitterness/lack of love in your
emails to you, you have always hid behind the line that what you
were saying was true even though it didn�t sound loving. That it was better to reprove someone in love even if you had to
use tough love. That you had such concern for the members of
the forum that you would take a stand and do this. When people do it to
you, you claim �how little love there is among those who profess
godliness�. You will do anything but address the
issue of hypocrisy in your life, even to the point of lashing out at those who expose it (slade deserves an
apology from you for the way you have reacted to his reprovals). None of
us want you to be in the position you are in Judy. We all want to see you move beyond it to
healing. Jonathan
And the following is
what I didn't want to respond to:
I am not speaking
of your plagiarism. I really care less
about it...
jt: Then why do
you continue to feed comments like Gary's and help to keep the issue
alive? You know, like "he who is without
sin?"
JBH: You (Judy) labeled what Gary said as an ad
hominem. It wasn�t. You were wrong. You accused a brother of something that was not
true. When David thought that John did this he went off his
rocker and threatened to shun John. When you do it we just smile and
say, �there she goes again�. And as usual you
refuse to accept the moderator�s authority. You wouldn�t let
you kids get away with this type of behavior but you like to express it
here.
unless you were
jabbing pin and needles into others for plagiarism. Sometimes the words of
another human being expresses our thoughts better than we can.
I also don't care
about "cuss words" unless it's
overdone. These are not holiness issues to me.
jt: So it does
not bother you if sweet and bitter water come from the same
fountain?
JBH: Sweet and bitter water come from your typing hands
daily. As proved to you lately sweet and
bitter water have come from Finis Dake.
I am extremely
concerned over hypocrisy. I fear it in my own life and I yearn for people to
express their concerns regarding the hypocrisy they smell in MY life. This
trait manifested in the last week, and
you have NOT repented of it.
jt: Excuse
me? I have publicly repented/apologized to people on this list
and I have dealt with my own heart before the Lord. Do you need something
special Slade? I'm sorry that this does not measure up to your
standard. Will you forgive me?
JBH: You halfheartedly apologized to people on this
list. Bill accepted it. What Slade points out is that while you
apologized for your plagiarism you did not
apologize/repent of your hypocrisy which is well documented on this
forum. You have been called on it and we should all expect David Miller to jump on you
like he jumped on John threatening that you be shunned and removed
from fellowship until you have repented. If he does not then we know
that he just has it in for John and could care less about the rest of the
forum.
In fact,
you hide behind weak
screens like
"Dake is not a
theologian" and
"Dake was a
spirit filled man which I believe gives one more insight into certain
truths" which makes
it all right for YOU to quote him, but quotes of other men are worthless,
incessant wadings.
jt: The late
Finis Dake was not a theologian and what I quoted was truth no matter
where it came from. But Truth appears only a minor issue here some seem to
be much more interested in nit picking.
JBH: Finis
Dake was a theologian. You are a theologian. Please learn the
term. Is a theologian only one who gets paid to theologize? Silly. Truth is much more of an issue here than
you seem to be able to see. There are few people
that I know of that nit pick more than you do. The old plank in the
eye thing Judy.
All you have to do
is go back through those archives and see how many times you say something
like "all I need is Scripture." What's worse, is
you criticize the Pharisees for being
hypocrites!!!
jt: What I meant
to convey is that if we are going to major on talking about truth we would
be better off to stay with Scripture; as for the Pharisees, Jesus
called them hypocrites so I am in agreement with the Master. They
put loads on other people that they weren't willing to carry themselves and
I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some of the Pharisee spirit here
right now.
JBH: You change your tune more than an old piano.
Scripture does not have a monopoly on truth. You have yet to use
scripture in this post. Blah blah blah.
Apparently, the fruit doesn't fall far from the
tree.
JBH: A typical poke. Nice bitter
water coming from this water fountain.
THIS is the issue
of greatest concern. It's not a case of
rubbing it in.
jt: Then why do
you keep doing so and delving into all the details again when you do
it?
JBH: Because you have a lot to learn about yourself.
Please learn it so we don�t have to continue to do this with you every
month.
It's a case of
wishing you the best in your life.
Hypocrisy will destroy you unless you give it to God. --
slade
jt: What does
God want with it Slade? My you have a back handed way of
wishing me the best in life - Like nothing I say makes a dent in whatever
you have already concluded concerning me. But Oh well, all I can
say is that I am so glad God does not hold grudges.
JBH: You don�t think God holds grudges? Hmmm somehow I
think you are misleading people here. Do you think God sends people to
Hell? Sounds like quite a grudge. Love me or
burn!
P.S. I asked
a question about the two messages that went astray Slade - up front and
out in the open, giving you the opportunity to respond in
kind...
jt: Others can do whatever they
like Slade. I just got weary of being confronted with the
doctrines
of certain men over and over, and
over, and over on TT. Also I don't use my Dake's Bible in any
closet,
it's right out there on the table
with the others and I've made no secret of the fact that that I have
one.
BTW since I have publicly
repented for this why is it not dropped? Is God in favor of beating
ppl
over the same offence 70 times
7? The thread should be defunct and yet you the Moderator go on
to
feed Gary's insult as
follows:
myth
(e.g.,
reflectg on her exchngs, even with you: her posts indicate
her monolithic presumption
of theolgicl
superiority)
Within
the context of this thread, I disagree.
jt:
The mind boggles; in light of the above gets by then what left
to moderate??
PS:
The reason I am responding publicly is because you initially posted this
publicly which David has
"Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Jonathan
in dark blue as JBH.
JT: Jonathan, what
you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your business. If
you can
not be part of the
answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this is a
public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick with
your theology.
