Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth

[Lance Muir]

I believe that even had that (unnamed) thingy never occured the Eternal Son would still have Incarnated. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2005 11:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth In a message dated 1/1/2005 7:44:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: I have no hidden meanings Lance, it is recorded in the book of Genesis and the results are evident all through the remaining 65 books.  Without a fall the need for a redemption would be non existent. An interesting observation.   It appears that Adam and his lovely, had the same emotions and weaknesses that are common to all.   What we see as the "fall"  (a nonbiblical term, by the way) may be nothing more than what happened to people who were created to be just like the rest of mankind (except for that navel thingy) after the first legal "violation."  If we could define "before the fall,"  we might have more agreement about "after the fall."  I have to date, seen no biblical justification for the "fall."     Are we incomplete?  Do we all have need for further definition as humans and (a need) for a deeper walk with God?   Absolutely.   I believe that Adam and the Seventh Rib were never created as an end of a creation event.  This First Couple of Love were completed in the Incarnation.   I would appreciate someone on this forum demonstrating otherwise, in scripture.   Some of you know that I will listen.  LET GET IS ON over a cup of tea. The Bishop of a Certain Theological Consideration