For the record there is nothing in Lance's post that even comes close to
suggesting evolutionary theory.

What Lance is referring to is a point made by Duns Scotus (1266-1308)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duns_Scotus) who suggested that the
incarnation would still have occurred even if sin had not entered the
equation.  In other words there is much more to Jesus Christ than just the
taking care of sin.  On the whole, we (Christians) have always moved from
the problem (sin) to the cure (Christ), instead of the cure (Christ) to the
problem (sin).  It is because of this that we think of Christ as the sin
killer instead of a more holistic approach to who He is.  More on this in an
upcoming post.

Scotus was an interesting fellow.  He is where we get the term 'dunce' from.
He was a strong proponent of the Immaculate Conception, the Roman Catholic
version of Judy's doctrine of Christ (not having a sinful nature).  They
couldn't deal with it scripturally so they created a doctrine that ensured
that Mary didn't have a sinful nature and therefore couldn't pass it on to
Jesus.  Brilliant way around the text!

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth

Lance wrote:
> I believe that even had that (unnamed) thingy
> never occured the Eternal Son would still have
> Incarnated.

This sounds like evolutionary theory is your working paradigm.  Is this 
true?  Do you believe in evolution (perhaps theistic evolution) as the 
proper model for our origins?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 



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