We already talked about this. This question falsely assumes that the father
is the father of only Jesus the Son. Only in this circumstance would you be
led to conclude that without the Son Jesus, there would be no father.
Because the father is father not just to the Son Jesus, this question has no
relevance. The father became the father when Elohim first created life,
such as an angel.
And when was this? I wasn't asking to see if you could come up with an answer, David. What was your scripture on this conclusion
You will pardon me for referring to previously covered material. There are times when I do not follow a particular thread closely. Sometimes, I only follow the response of one of my favorite posters. I am through with the thread on this subject with Judy. My conclusion? Surmise and conjecture is all she really has on this subject -- not that surmise and conjecture are wrong, mind you. Just was curious for your take. Your answer above is no different from Judy's approach, evidentially.
JD

