On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:56:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It really is kinda "sad" (as you so often say) that salvation by grace through faith is really not understood by you.
jt: Oh but it is understood by me John and I consider you to be in error over some really crucial issues.
Fair enough.
Such a salvation is not of your own effort, rather, it is a gift, pure and simple (Eph 2:8).
jt: I agree, it's supernatural from start to finish and is nothing I could accomplish by my own effort.
It effects your teaching on works (read:obedience),
jt: Obedience is not "works" John and obedience is essential if you are to love God with all that you are.
"justified by faith apart from works of (the) law" is the text in question. If "works of law" is not "obedience to law," what is it?
your understanding of historical sinning, sins of the character of a person, sins of omission, and the practice of sin that rises to rebellion against God,
jt: I don't know about "historical" I think history is a big part of the problem here. God defines sin for us in His Word. It is "lawlessness"
or breaking God's Law. For the Jews the Torah; for New Covenant people the Royal Law which is love. Not in the carnal sense - agape.
"Historical sins" as viewed against other types of sin i was comparing (which has nothing to do with whatever you are talking about above) are things like smoking, cussing, drinking, murder -- things that have a beginning and an ending -- hence "historical" as opposed to continual (such are the sins of character - pride, bigotry and the like).
your doctrine of the Spirit in relationship to personal and claimed holiness,
jt: What's wrong with being filled with and walking after the Spirit. Do you know a better way to walk the highway of holiness? No
your notion of expressed fellowship for others within the Faith (Romans 14) --------------- just so many issues.
jt: I don't remember the problem with Romans 14 (meat offered to idols) but we don't have that problem in our meat markets today and I'm sure
you don't consider yourself a baby believer - So what is your problem John? No probs., Judy. Just sitting here wondering what the value of Romans 14 is to those of us who live now?
It is amazing to me that you would exclude some when, in fact, your theology is as unusual as anything I have ever come across.
jt: What a sad, sad, statement when my heart is to obey God and walk in His Word and this is an offense to you?. Did I say anything about your heart? Your intentions? Not at all. So, don't be sad, dear Judy./
No wonder you oppose orthodoxy.
jt: I'm not opposing anything other than the darkness and lies that keep ppl in bondage. Flesh and blood are not my enemy. I'm free -- who isn't on this forum?
The fact that you are saved, anyway is a tribute to the failsafe plan of God for bring those whom He loves unto Himself. John
jt: How do you know I am "saved" John? Faith is the substance of things "hoped" for, the evidence of things not seen. By jove, you have my answer !!
John
