From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:04:51 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them.
DAVEH: Why do you need that any more than you need a scripture from those street preachers who think they should use a bull horn to preach, Perry?
Using voice amplification is normal in environments with high background noise, and I don't consider that either a moral or ethical issue.
I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references.
DAVEH: OK. For those who lack an understanding of how to preach......
Thanks for that comment, Dave.
Okay, so if you want wisdom, pray for it...how does that demonstrate that prayer brings people to faith?
*If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. * Js 1:5
.......Furthermore, the Lord has also suggested it is important to .......
*Be thou humble; and the Lord thy God shall lead thee by the hand, and give thee answer to thy prayers.* D&C 112:10
Which Lord, mine or yours? Oh, that comes fromt he D&C...you mean your lord. Mine didn't say that. JS did.
.......So, I ponder how effective any preacher can be if they fail to adopt a stance of humility in their approach.
You have not answered my request for a scriptural reference on the topic, and have totally dodged the scripture reference I gave to preaching. If you dont have a direct answer, just say so. It's easy...
Ignorance -> Preacher -> Hearing -> Word of God -> Faith.
That is what street preachers do. I am sure they pray, too, but the Bible says to preach the Word of God.
According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith.
Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but that is not what he claims brings them to faith:
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800
DAVEH: Prayer.....
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Good question!
*/Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with
Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.
Thanks, Perry
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