[TruthTalk] Original Sin

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do very much think that every Christian today needs to be very diligent in thinking themselves through the influence of Augustine on their anthropolical interpretions. He has had a collosal impact on our thinking in this area. Perhaps when they have done that, they will continue to agree with him, which is their perogative. My suspision, however, is that most are unaware of his ifluence on their theological perspectives and will want to adjust their thinking, once they have worked themselves through his theology, and realized the influence of Manichaesm on his thought processes.   jt: I've never ever read Augustine. How does he weasel his way into "everyone's" thinking when he's been dead for so long?   To be truthful with you, David, I have not thought about this in the terms you are drawing to my attention. I will want to look into the meaning of "condemnation" in the context it is used here. If that condemnation is as I stated above, i.e., an effect from the initial removal of A&W from the tree of life, I believe children do suffer that condemnation with all humanity.   jt: King David wrote "Behold I was brought forth in (a state of) iniquity my mother was sinful who conceived me (and I too, am sinful) (Ps 51:5 Ampl) Jesus himself was born under the judgment of that condemnation -- I think, hmmmmm.   jt: I'd give this a lot of thought Bill. I respectfully disagree.  The iniquities (generational curses) come down through the Fathers and those who spoke prophetically over him at the temple when he was an infant along with the angel who spoke with Mary before His birth all referred to Him as "that holy thing"   I also think that all humans are born with a propensity toward sin, Jesus included, which is another result of Adam's offence.   jt: Jesus could have sinned without having to have had a "propensity" for it The first Adam chose to do it without any propensity.   But in his victorious resurrection Christ became the merciful justification of ALL life (which is why God in his forebearance did not "impute" their trespasses to them), including life after death, which will be granted to deceased children via their inclusion in him. Anyway, if you don't mind I would like to look into this a bit further before being any more specific.  Bill