David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:
> Pure word of God is what I hold
> in my hands. AV1611
Are you saying that you only accept the Authorized Version of 1611 as the
Pure word of God? Why then do you not quote from it?http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/revisions.html
KD says Whats the difference David? No difference in all the "revisions" God does not use a Xerox machine as you suppose He does. There are good answers to all these juvinille questions, if one cares to find them. Long & short of it is the MANUSCRIPTS that are the basis of ALL the new translations are hopelessly CORRUPT. If the foundation is corrupt what of the rest of the house?
Kevin wrote:
> I fervently resist because I was enlightened to
> the fact that I have the very words of God in
> my hand. Those that want to deny such have
> an agenda.
What agenda?KD says greek Agenda and Man's logic & reasoning
How were you enlightened to the fact that the 1611 version is God's pure
word? This version is not very common. Why do you consider it pure as
opposed to other KJV's?KD says All the KJV's are God's word for the English speaking people. They are not Xerox copies God always uses copies. Paul always reffered to copies.
Kevin wrote:
> If it says heresy then heresy it is.
Yeah, but the AV1611 also says, "there shall bee false teachers." The word
"bee" is not a typo. Do we understand that to mean the insect bee or does
it mean what our modern word "be" means? If it is the pure word of God,
what authority would be have to change "bee" to "be"?KD says WOW there is a typo????? Or OLDE English? Is that and OLD E? Cant discern what is being said? Hilarious only an imbecile would think it an insect!WOW I am just devastated!Do you understand? Did it change the meaning?Is this anyway comparable to the corrupted greek texts of Aleph & B?I just checked my copy it is OK.Let's consider James 2:3 in the AV1611.
James 2:3
(3) And yee haue respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say vnto
him, Sit thou here in a good place: and say to the poore, Stand thou there,
or sit here vnder my footstoole:
Does "gay clothing" mean homosexual clothing? Don't you realize that words
change in meaning over time? It has been almost 400 years since that
version was written.KD says DUH really words change in usage? cool daddy O! No it does not mean HOMO Clothes. It means Fancy Dancy (Modern 70's usage) Don't you realize it is very simple to check it out in a Dictionary. I would think most people already know this. Websters 1828 would be a good choice. So this is the most glaring example you could come up with? Is it as Corrupt as B or Aleph? Does it have WHOLE Missing verses? Does it have 10 different words crossed out erased and overwritten? Like Aleph & B
Does this mean that you accept the Apocryphal books as the pure word of God
too? They were part of the AV1611 Bible.KD says Do you have a map in your Bible David? Does that mean you accept it as Inspired? David sadly your questions are foolish. The Apocryphal books are separated & not interspersed as they are in the Oldest & Best Manuscripts Alep & B. Does that mean they (Apoc Books) are the pure word of God since they are included ( Mathew Mark, Bel & the dragon, Luke) in the base manuscripts for all the Alexandrian (Minority text) Translations
Kevin wrote:
> My God was very capable of using the
> word heresy or the word sect.
> He was active in its transmission & translation.
Was he active in transmission and translation only for the AV1611? Was the
world without the pure word of God before 1611?KD says DUH Of course not How about;
Wyclif's Bible 1384
Tyndale 1535
Coverdale's Bible 1535
Great Bible
Geneva Bible
Bishops' BibleHow About - Older versions:
Syrian Peshetto of 157 AD
Arabic, Persian, and Armenian versions
Old Latin version 150 AD
Other old Translations carried around the world, by missionaries & preachers.
Extant Greek manuscriptsKevin wrote:
> Anyone that thinks God is capable of creating ALL
> complexities of the things & laws of the universe but
> is incapable of Preserving His word and presenting
> His word to me in my hand in Black & White is
> ready for the funny farm
Nobody is arguing that he is incapable. The point is whether or not he has
done that with the AV1611 Bible. Jesus never promised us that a Bible would
be preserved for us. What he promised us was giving us his Holy Spirit.
This does not mean that God did not also preserve a written record for us,
but how that has come down to us is not like you think.KD says Where is this preserved written record then? Where was it before 1881?
Kevin wrote:
> I do not have to worry that the Greek says
> or the originals (which do not exist anywhere)
> say
I believe that God used the Greek texts as part of his method of
transmission of his written word. Certainly he did not use English, did he?
English did not exist when these men penned the Bible.KD says Yes he used the MAJORITY Text Never used the Minority Text & Still does not! HOMOS PERVERTS HERETICS & NAZIS use the Minority Alexandrian text
Kevin wrote:
> The very word of God says in my language that
> I can understand so that I can do it!
Yes, but it is the message that is important, not the literal characters on
the page. You don't seem to have any desire to understand the message. If
it says "heresies" then you are going to understand it the way you
understand the word "heresy" even if the Biblical authors had a different
meaning in mind when they wrote it. Something is wrong with this kind of
anti-intellectualism.KD says God uses the "WORD" not the message. EG being born again by the message? No the bible says Word Why would God use Word if He meant message? Why would God use Heresy if He meant Sect? Was he impotent and messed up the Transmission & preservation of His word until 1881? He said Word but he really meant message you got a "WORD" of prophecy on that one?
Kevin wrote:
> If we can not trust the book then we of
> all people are most miserable.
Why? I put trust in the book, but not your perspective of "trust the AV1611
and damn the Greek and Hebrew texts."I trust the Recieved text I have seen the polluted Alexandrian texts. Here is an example from Codex B the Oldest & BEST MS!Mt 16:20 tote *diesteilato* toiV maqhtaiV... Originally: epetimhsenWhich is the MOST Correct reading? Does your bank take checks with multiple handwritings? How does this compare to Gay Clothing?
Kevin wrote:
> My very salvation depends on the words of life
> written down in that book. I have a sure word
> not a almost perfect book.
I consider the Bible perfect, but not in your sense of the word perfect. It
is the message of the Bible that is perfect. How it communicates that
message can vary from reader to reader and from age to age. His message is
timeless, but how that message is communicated is not.KD says Where does the Bible say the message is preserved & perfect?Kevin wrote:
> It is like a contract 2 Peter 2 voice which came
> from heaven we heard
You got the wrong reference, and why are you not quoting the AV1611 if it is
so perfect in every jot and tittle?
2 Peter 1:18
(18) And this voice which came from heauen wee heardKD says Men are an imperfect lot are they not?
Kevin wrote:
> More sure than even the Voice of God
> speaking to me. (eg Joe's sacred GROVE adventure)
Agreed.
Kevin wrote:
> God has provided His words in Written form
> so there is no controversy what it says.
If that was really his purpose, then God failed miserably because his words
cause a lot of controversy about what it says. He gave us his written Word
as a standard and authority, but this does not eliminate controversy
completely.KD says He wrote it that you may obey it
Kevin wrote:
> It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
>the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
> they are life. Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast
> the words of eternal life. And it shall be with him,
> and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that
> he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all
> the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
If the AV1611 is the PURE word of God, why aren't you quoting it verbatim?
John 6:63
(63) It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the
wordes that I speake vnto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.KD says What is the difference David Says the same thing. has the same Message as you say. You are really hung up on the Xerox theory of infalliblity How does it compare to the new versions where whole verses are ommited?John 6:68
(68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we goe? Thou hast
the words of eternall life.
Deuteronomy 17:19
(19) And it shall be with him, and hee shall reade therein all the dayes of
his life, that hee may learne to feare the Lord his God, to keep all the
words of this Law, and these Statutes, to do them:
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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