Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth

[Bill Taylor]

Why do you suppose that not a single one of the Nicene or Cappadocian elders referenced this verse in their defense against heretics who sought to deny the Trinity? It sure seems to me like a great place to start if you are looking to set forth a Trinitarian formula.   I have read and reread the arguments on both sides of this debate. I do not know one way or the other if it was a part of John's original epistle. But since it is not included in any of the Greek texts that we have until way late, I would probably not use this verse in a defense of the doctrine of the Trinity; this because it would not be long before my opponent would be using its late date against me.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth Minority readings are the favorites of the "scholars" So why not this minority reading? Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin wrote  >  Is there any explanation other than divine preservation for the fact that a copy of a copy of a copy and so on matches a copy of a copy of a copy In thousands of MS ( of the majority TR type NOT the Minority mangled MS) and from differnt regions of the world and from different times? If all the leafs match, what does that say about the root at the other end?   Where are all those "roots" with the extended 1John 5-7 in the text, Kevin? "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1186 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth Is there any explanation other than divine preservation for the fact that a copy of a copy of a copy and so on matches a copy of a copy of a copy In thousands of MS ( of the majority TR type NOT the Minority mangled MS) and from differnt regions of the world and from different times? If all the leafs match, what does that say about the root at the other end? ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lance, They were not �imaginary originals�.  No one just invented what they were copying from, or it�s pretty amazing that it all fits together so well. Thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls we know how very meticulous OT scripture was copied over the ages, and I am sure that God�s arm is not shortened when it comes to the NT.  What bothers me is the way folks of your persuasion are so eager to diminish what godly men have defended with their very lives over the centuries�all so that you and I can have the blessed opportunity to read God�s Word for ourselves.  Some of us are extremely thankful for that.  Some sneer at it.  Perhaps one is blessed in the Spirit in proportion to their gratefulness for God�s sacred gifts. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth   The first 'copy' was a reproduction of some 'imagined' original. That is what a 'copy' is. (whether or not one has 'sweaty' hands. There ain't none of them babies in existence. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2005 16:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth     Of course.  I was speaking of the original ms.  We do realize that we are reading English translations of such, and must therefore rely upon the best available sources. We don�t need to squabble about those again. Izzy And you question the use of "imagination?"  You make assertions about manuscripts that do not exist.   I can go with thought inspiration quicker than "verbal plenary."   Word for word  dictation would eliminate the personalities of the individual authors  --  which is not the case.  Your last sentence indicates a desire to avoid further discussion.   Alrighty then.  JD   Dear JD,   Please be notified that the FIRST copy of scripture, written by the FIRST writer (ie: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) was THE ORIGINAL.  There definitely WAS one, whether you have a copy in your sweaty little hand or not.   Love, Izzy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web