Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

[Knpraise]

In a message dated 3/21/2005 2:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yes this is something we can know because Jesus said he had not lost any God had given Him except for the son of perdition.  So are you going to believe His Words or make up some other type of scenario that makes you feel better.  I'm sure glad you are not the Coroner JD. I know we've been around and around about this - but I'll say once more that -Samson did NOT, I repeat did NOT, commit suicide.  He layed down his own life to defeat the enemies of both Israel and God.... Do you believe he pulled down those pillars along with the Philistine temple by his own human strength??
God was in on it and God does not aid and abet suicide.  This is an irresponsible statement JD.
 

Lost to the group we call the "apostles?"  Lost to a life of recovery and blessing?  Lost to a continued forgiveness of the one he (Judas) betrayed?   Lost to the final blessing of seeing that his betrayal actually made the resurrection possible?   Or lost in hell?   But Judy Taylor knows the answer to this line of questioning in spite of the fact that we are told that it is impossible for us to judge someone into eternal destiny.      Pity, pity pity.

Samson?   Only the most stubborn will refuse to admit his suicide.  God used Samson's weaknesses to accomplish physical judgment over the Philistines.  The reason why folks like you cannot allow for suicide in the case of Samson has everything to do with your works salvationist point of view.  His death and acceptance destroys your theory of salvation.     The sacrifice only works when you repent, confess, pray and whatever else you might come up with (i.e. "pay restitution").   THE SACRIFICE ONLY WORKS FOR YOU WHEN YOU WORK FOR YOURSELF.   Your theology would have us believe that God has given us all that we might need so that we might "work out our own salvation."   You have no message of hope for those who are steeped in sin and weighted down by addiction  ----  no hope whatsoever      ------------------    and I have asked before.   I do know what your answers are to this question of hope offered to a sin sickened world and they are disgraceful.   

JD