On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:03:34 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lost to the group we call the
"apostles?" Lost to a life of recovery and blessing? Lost to a
continued forgiveness of the one he (Judas) betrayed? Lost to the
final blessing of seeing that his betrayal actually made the resurrection
possible? Or lost in hell? But Judy Taylor knows the
answer to this line of questioning in spite of the fact that we are told that it
is impossible for us to judge someone into eternal
destiny. Pity, pity pity.
jt: Lost
means lost JD; the rest is pointless speculation because in that
day Judas is one who will not be found in Christ.. my faith does not extend to men's
speculations.
Samson? Only the most stubborn will refuse to admit his suicide. God used Samson's weaknesses to accomplish physical judgment over the Philistines. The reason why folks like you cannot allow for suicide in the case of Samson has everything to do with your works salvationist point of view. His death and acceptance destroys your theory of salvation. The sacrifice only works when you repent, confess, pray and whatever else you might come up with (i.e. "pay restitution"). THE SACRIFICE ONLY WORKS FOR YOU WHEN YOU WORK FOR YOURSELF.
jt: My understanding about the death
of Samson has to do with my knowledge of God JD and has nothing to do with what
you call "works". Suicide is murder
which breaks God's Law . Apparently you have a God who judges sometimes and winks at other
times, how convenient.
Your theology would have us believe that God
has given us all that we might need so that we might "work out our own
salvation." You have
no message of hope for those who are steeped in sin and weighted down by
addiction ---- no hope whatsoever
------------------ and I have asked before. I do
know what your answers are to this question of hope offered to a sin sickened
world and they are disgraceful.
jt: Disgraceful?? Get a grip
JD. My message of hope to them is the same a message of hope I received
which is the
Cross and the Resurrection
of Christ where He
defeated the
principalities and
powers that hold men captive and made an open show of them leading them in His
victory parade.
His victory becomes ours when
we take hold of it by faith - It's our choice but it doesn't come by osmosis and
if you as a counselor have no faith in the work of the risen Christ then how can you impart it to those who
sit under your
counsel? judyt
In a message dated 3/21/2005 2:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes this is something we can know because Jesus said he had not lost any God had given Him except for the son of perdition. So are you going to believe His Words or make up some other type of scenario that makes you feel better. I'm sure glad you are not the Coroner JD. I know we've been around and around about this - but I'll say once more that -Samson did NOT, I repeat did NOT, commit suicide. He layed down his own life to defeat the enemies of both Israel and God.... Do you believe he pulled down those pillars along with the Philistine temple by his own human strength??
God was in on it and God does not aid and abet suicide. This is an irresponsible statement JD.
