Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

[Judy Taylor]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:12:25 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Caroline, My first question is how do you know Terah was 70yrs old when Abram was born?  Gen 11:26 tells us that Terah was 70yrs old when he began having children and that he had three sons.  Scripture does not reveal to us which son was born first, the name of Terah's wife, or how old Terah was at the time each of his sons was born.   Caroline: I believe scripture is saying Terah was 70 by the time he had three sons. If Abram is the oldest, he could have been born when Terah was younger than 70.   jt: This may be your belief Caroline, but there is no foundation in scripture for such an assumption. Abraham was 86 when he had Ishmael and 100yrs old when the child of Promise appeared.  Abram's father Terah may have married late, he may have lost children, or he may have had several wives; we don't know for sure what the details are. However, there is one thing we can know for sure and that is - "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God" because "Holy men spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" which Spirit being the third member of the Godhead is also known as the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Christ. So the Spirit who inspired the writing of Genesis 11 & 12 is the same Spirit who filled Stephen as he spoke in Acts 7:4 and the Spirit who brought the details of this encounter back to Luke's remembrance.   jt: Would I be accurate in saying that you do see God's Word and scripture as one and the same but that you have conferred this title on Jesus in the flesh?    Caroline: The Word (logos) is the Second Person of the Trinity. John wrote that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The bible never refers to itself as the Word. It is either scriptures or writings. So whenever I read Word in my bible, I understand that to mean Christ Jesus.   jt: Then how would you interpret the following Caroline: "The sower sows the Word" (Mark 4:14) What is this Word and who is the Sower? Jesus said "My Word hath no place in you" (John 8:37) so here He separates his Word from His person. "The Word of God grew and multiplied" Acts 12:24 - Jesus is at the RH of the Father in Heaven so what is growing and multiplying here? "Receive with meekness the engrafted Word" (James 1:21) "Be ye doers of the Word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves (James 1:22)   jt: Is the "community thing" same to you as "working out your own salvation with fear and trembling?" and by the above are you saying that you "speak to Him" through community?   Caroline: You can think of community as church where church is a gathering of Christians. We work out our salvation with fear and trembling by ourselves and in church with the help of the Holy Spirit. We commune with God by ourselves and in church by prayer, bible reading, worship etc. God speaks to us when we worship, pray, read the bible, through other people and circumstances etc. He speaks to us individually and He speaks to the group.   Thank you for taking the time to respond Caroline also for communicating in kindness, this is much appreciated,   Grace and Peace, judyt