Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

[Dave Hansen]

ShieldsFamily wrote: This non-Jew, non-Catholic, non-Cult, Christ-Follower sees it this way:  The true Church never was and never will be an Institution or Organization. DAVEH:  Do you have any Biblical evidence to offer, Izzy?   It is each and every True Believer who is washed in His Blood and following Him.  There may be a handful in this church and that church, there may be some who never even heard of a church.  We cannot tell by the label over the “church” building if there is a single True Believer inside or not.  But those True Believers have a way of finding each other and seeking the company of one another for the purpose of learning, teaching, expressing the gifts which He has given them, and serving one another.  But whether they are bunched together for the moment or not, they are each and every one “The Church”.  If we had supernatural eyes to see, we could identify them by the Presence of the Holy Spirit inside them. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:24 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment   Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at all. That has jarred for me since childhood as a thorough misunderstanding. It makes me think of a voluntary association of people who subscribe to a new set of religious ideas and practices thought up by (or revealed to) Jesus, and by which they hope to find their way to God (only Jesus managed to get it right, like solving a riddle, so it was the right church).   Jesus didn't lay a foundation, he is and always was the foundation. What he did was of a completely different order than any "church founder", way more radical: unite God and humanity in life, death, resurrection, and ascension. The result is that our corrupt humanity is made new, his faith is produced in us, and we are included with him in the fellowship of God.   Debbie   DAVEH:   Is this a commonly accepted theory of Protestantism?  LDS folks believe such thinking is flawed, John.  IOW.....I believe Jesus founded the RIGHT CHURCH and a measured amount of legalism is important and necessary within that True Church.   What our Mormon friends do not understand and what you will not admit to, apparently, is that there was no time when the RIGHT CHURCH EXISTED except in the Mind of God and via the blood of Christ.   The First Church was steeped in legalism.  -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.