BLAINE: Where did Kevin get such a fancy--and inappropriate--word? This word--necromancy--refers to communicating with the DEAD. Notice the emphasis on the word, "DEAD." Joseph Smith's doctrine of baptism for the dead did not come from the single passage in 1 Corinthians 15:29. The doctrine of Baptism for the dead came by way of revelation from Jesus Christ, a living breathing fully alive personage. Joseph described him as being "glorious beyond description." This does not sound like "necromancy." to me. Are you saying you believe Jesus Christ, and maybe God the father, are Necromantic?--those who are dead, communicating with the living?
NECROMANCY BAPTISM is essential for the faith? C'MON Blaine 1 Co. Chapter 15: Verses 1,2,3,9,10,11,12,14,15,17,19 Contains FIRST Person pronouns, "we" "our" "you" "your" "ye", Paul is speaking to his Christian audience about things that pertain to them. 1 Co 15:29 Else what shall THEY do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? Here Paul abruptly switches gear and refers to a group outside of the Christians he had been refering to throughout the whole chapter. He now uses the THIRD person pronoun "they", since he is refering to PAGANs and Heathens. Is Paul mentioning or teaching here? Is he questioning or putting forth an essential teaching? If Paul was endorsing the teaching he would have said "what shall WE do" instead he excludes himself from the practice in his use of "THEY" Baptism for the dead was not a teaching of the primitive Church. The church father Tertullian, writing in about A.D. 180, makes this comment on 1 Corinthians 15:29 � �His [Paul�s] only aim in alluding to it was that he might all the more firmly insist upon the resurrection of the body, in proportion as they who were VAINLY baptized for the dead resorted to the practice from their belief of such a resurrection.� The Five Books Against Marcion, V,10 in The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, no date), 3:449 Vs 12 �Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?� Paul is refuting false teachings including this wrong teaching, from "some among you" It is not wise to build a whole doctrine on a single verse and a question not a statement at that! The Book of Mormon is described as containing �the fullness of the everlasting gospel� DC 27:5 Why does the Book of Mormon not contain such teaching, if Baptism is a central teaching of the LDS Church? Where then is the EVIDENCE that the people of the BoM knew of or practised baptism? If Baptism is essential to the Gospel & Salvation, then why does Paul say? 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel They are 2 separate things, on the one hand Baptism (NOT sent), the other Gospel (sent). If baptism was an essential part of the Gospel, then he would have been "sent" to perform such. Instead he was sent to Preach the Gospel. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine: You are arguing with a dead piece of wood, DaveH. Kevin is not a Christian, or he would believe in revelation, and baptism, which are essential Christian doctrines. He has his own religion. I have no idea where he gets it, but it appears quite consistently anti-Christian. On the other hand, Kevin claims to love God and worship Jesus Christ--also consistently. I wonder, Kevin, are you a fulfillment of the words of God to Joseph Smith when He said, "They worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me?" DAVEH: Hey Kevin........Do you have a problem with me using 1Cor 15:29 in support of other Biblical passages that become cumulative evidence that the Primitive Christians believed a water baptism was necessary for salvation? It does lead one to that logical conclusion, does it not? Kevin Deegan wrote: C'MON JD, Who scripture twists? If you use any scripture at all, most of the time we get book citations or personal revelation from you. Besides doctrine should not be built on ONE lone verse anymore than a doctrine should be built on a verse that is a question. Such as we see with "what shall they do that are baptised for the dead?" that our Necromancing Mormon friends are so fond of. NECROMANCY BAPTISM is essential for the faith? C'MON Blaine 1 Co. Chapter 15: Verses 1,2,3,9,10,11,12,14,15,17,19 Contains FIRST Person pronouns, "we" "our" "you" "your" "ye", Paul is speaking to his Christian audience about things that pertain to them. 1 Co 15:29 Else what shall THEY do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? Here Paul abruptly switches gear and refers to a group outside of the Christians he had been refering to throughout the whole chapter. He now uses the THIRD person pronoun "they", since he is refering to PAGANs and Heathens. Is Paul mentioning or teaching here? Is he questioning or putting forth an essential teaching? If Paul was endorsing the teaching he would have said "what shall WE do" instead he excludes himself from the practice in his use of "THEY" Baptism for the dead was not a teaching of the primitive Church. The church father Tertullian, writing in about A.D. 180, makes this comment on 1 Corinthians 15:29 � �His [Paul�s] only aim in alluding to it was that he might all the more firmly insist upon the resurrection of the body, in proportion as they who were VAINLY baptized for the dead resorted to the practice from their belief of such a resurrection.� The Five Books Against Marcion, V,10 in The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, no date), 3:449 Vs 12 �Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?� Paul is refuting false teachings including this wrong teaching, from "some among you" It is not wise to build a whole doctrine on a single verse and a question not a statement at that! The Book of Mormon is described as containing �the fullness of the everlasting gospel� DC 27:5 Why does the Book of Mormon not contain such teaching, if Baptism is a central teaching of the LDS Church? Where then is the EVIDENCE that the people of the BoM knew of or practised baptism? If Baptism is essential to the Gospel & Salvation, then why does Paul say? 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel They are 2 separate things, on the one hand Baptism (NOT sent), the other Gospel (sent). If baptism was an essential part of the Gospel, then he would have been "sent" to perform such. Instead he was sent to Preach the Gospel. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine: You are arguing with a dead piece of wood, DaveH. Kevin is not a Christian, or he would believe in revelation, and baptism, which are essential Christian doctrines. He has his own religion. I have no idea where he gets it, but it appears quite consistently anti-Christian. On the other hand, Kevin claims to love God and worship Jesus Christ--also consistently. I wonder, Kevin, are you a fulfillment of the words of God to Joseph Smith when He said, "They worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me?" DAVEH: Hey Kevin........Do you have a problem with me using 1Cor 15:29 in support of other Biblical passages that become cumulative evidence that the Primitive Christians believed a water baptism was necessary for salvation? It does lead one to that logical conclusion, does it not? Kevin Deegan wrote: C'MON JD, Who scripture twists? If you use any scripture at all, most of the time we get book citations or personal revelation from you. Besides doctrine should not be built on ONE lone verse anymore than a doctrine should be built on a verse that is a question. Such as we see with "what shall they do that are baptised for the dead?" that our Necromancing Mormon friends are so fond of. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
