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It's all through the OT whenever God's ppl strayed by
getting too tight with the nations around them He spoke through the
prophets calling them adultresses and harlots. In the NT we can see it
clearly in Romans 7.
An adulteress is anyone who tries to follow Jesus while
they still love and walk after the flesh and Paul writes
"Or do you not know brethren - that the law has
jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives (in flesh rebellion)? For the
married woman (the bride of the old man) is bound by law (under the judgment of
the law) to her husband (the old man and cursed nature) while he is (still)
living; but if her husband (old man) dies (by putting the flesh nature to
death), she is released from the law (fulfilled the law and is no longer under
the judgment of the law) concerning the husband (the old man). So then if while
her husband is living (by continuing to walk after the flesh nature), she is
joined to another man (by also trying to walk double-minded as the bride of
Christ), SHE SHALL BE CALLED AN ADULTERESS; but if her husband
(the fleshly old man) died, she is free from the law (and no longer under the
judgment of the law), so that she is not an adulteress, though she is joined to
another man (the Lord Jesus Christ) Romans 7:1-3)
That's a new one for me. What biblical reference
is that?
Love,
Caroline
Love without truth is spiritual harlotry - God
Truth without love is noise. The Apostle
Paul
Caroline,
You quote Emerson to evaluate Kevin? Emerson's
quote: "What you are shouts so loud
in my ears, I cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson - more appropriately evaluate his
own self - Poor soul was raised in deception which
apparently escalated in his own life. He must not
have believed in Adam's fall so was unaware that the
"divine soul" inspiring him was not from God. What good are all
these beautiful words? If they are not communicating God's Truth
they fall to the ground and are just
stubble?
As for Kevin - I think you mistake
his zeal for righteousness with anger... jt
From Wikipedia online:
Emerson was born in Boston, Massachusetts, to a Unitarian
minister, later to become a Unitarian minister himself.
He gradually drifted from the doctrines of his peers, then formulated
and first expressed the philosophy of Transcendentalism
in his essay Nature.
The publication of Emerson's 1836 essay Nature is usually
taken to be the watershed moment at which
Transcendentalism became a major cultural movement.
Emerson wrote: "We will walk on our own feet; we will work with our own
hands; we will speak our own minds ..A nation of men
will for the first time exist, because each believes himself inspired by
the Divine
Soul which also inspires all men."
Emerson closed the essay by calling for a revolution in human
consciousness to emerge from the new idealist philosophy:
- So shall we come to look at the world with new eyes. It shall
answer the endless inquiry of the intellect, - What is truth? and of
the affections,� What is good? by yielding itself passive to the
educated Will. ... Build, therefore, your own world.
As fast as you conform your life to the pure idea in your mind, that
will unfold its great proportions. A correspondent revolution in
things will attend the influx of the spirit.
Emerson was noted as being a very abstract and
difficult writer who never the less drew large crowds for his
speeches. A common joke heard from his audiences was that they had no
idea what he was saying, but that it was beautiful. He was considered
one of the great orators of the time, a man who could enrapture crowds
with his own enthusiasm
If the person does not feel he is angry
but everyone else says it sure feels like it, then that person could
a) continue as he is because what other
people think does not matter or
b) change communication style to reflect
whom he really believes himself to be
"What you are shouts so loud in my ears,
I cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Love,
Caroline
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005
3:06 AM
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Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
What if one is actually not angry but,
one is so perceived by others?
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Sent: April 24, 2005
18:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
James 1:19-20 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone
should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God
desires.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24,
2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
They that hate me without a
cause are more than the hairs of mine head
WOW there just might be some OT precedent. Or was this
added also?
Why is it that the Religious" "LOVE" crowd is always so
judgemental and have a word of knowledge at that. Since you got
it from "the Spirit" it must be right. How foolish
Amos 5:10 They hate him that
rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh
uprightly.
I know that a modern 21st century
Christian is always positive always sweet like you. Too many
sweets cause Diabetes!
Correction is grievous unto
him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall
die.
I am not ANGRY just hateful and that NOT without
a cause!
The fear of the LORD is to hate
evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward
mouth, do I hate.
PS 97 Ye that love
the LORD, hate evil
I have hated them that regard lying
vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
I have hated the congregation of evil
doers; and will not sit with the wicked.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate
thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine
enemies.
Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.
Have I sinned in my words or just my attitude as
you see it?
Should I tone it down, be a nice modern
effeminate christian?
I guess you would have really been offended by some
of those old timers.
Even the Methodists.
Caroline Wong
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In high school, we were taught
there is only one answer to math equations and that there is a
law of non-contradiction. Later we learn electrons and light
are both particle and wave and that math equations can give
you a range of answers or no answer at all.
Kevin, as your sister, I feel
compelled by the Spirit to tell you that you're an angry
person and you enjoy being angry. This is dangerous. 'nuff
said.
Love,
Caroline
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24,
2005 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
You may like Coke I may like
Pepsi
BUT
There is only ONE correct
answer to a math equation
There is only ONE correct
formula in physics
Reality is
unrelenting.
What is true for you is also
true for me.
It is a good thing you sell
books not design bridges!
Engineering "mistakes" cost
dearly, so do Theological ones!
Or are things different up
there in Canuckastan?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And that, Kevin, would be
your INTERPRETATION of Scripture, would it not? Do we now
have two 'infallibles' on TT? (I mean only with
respect to this issue)
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Sent: April 24,
2005 08:09
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Hey we call all be right!
Except for ONE thing that gets in the way
This is ONE understanding
of the matter, albeit and, admittedly, the most
widely held ONE.
May I take a moment to
pay you a compliment? Your demeanour has been, on the
whole, most gracious in the last while.
thanks,
Lance
----- Original Message
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Sent: April 24,
2005 05:24
Subject: [Bulk]
[TruthTalk] Hell
From: "Lance Muir" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMPLICATIONS
IMPLICATIONS IFF He (Jesus) wasn't
communicating what YOU think He was communication
then, what will you do?
I just found Elsman's
response to BillW concerning hell written a year ago
today which you may find interesting; he makes a
good argument and I like his presentation ..... all
from scripture - This is one of his finer moments
:-) So WDYT? jt
BILL,
YES, LET'S ALL
HEAD FOR THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS
FORUM.
RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL
CASE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A SECOND-CHANCE TO BE
SAVED FROM SIN:
A. AFTER WE DIE.
B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE
LORD", IF WE ARE ALIVE AT THAT TIME.
C.
CERTAINLY, AFTER THE "NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN
WITH ITS RIVER OF LIFE.
I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8,
WHEREIN THE DIE IS CAST, I.E.
THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE
WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE
SECOND DEATH."
THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE
"LAKE OF FIRE" DEALT WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS
OF POETIC LICENSE, AS SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE
SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING AROUND OUTSIDE THE CITY
WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING TO BE
SAVED AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF
THE RIVER OF LIFE.
INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11
THAT :
"...HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST
STILL, AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY
STILL...."
IN OTHER WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY,
NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE GET BEYOND DEATH TO
JUDGMENT, AS HEBREWS REMINDS US ( "...IT IS
APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH
THE JUDGMENT...").
ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE
DEAD---AND CEREMONIES AND MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE
DIE IS CAST AT DEATH.
IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW
IN THIS LIFE , AS HE IS HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF
FIRE, YOU CAN EXPECT HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD,
NOT COVETING THE RIVER OF LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH
WATER WOULD BE A BLESSING IN THAT LAKE, WHERE THE
WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED.
SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3
SENSE. SUCH IS THE ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT
SINNER FROM HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE CASE,
THE CHRISTIAN'S ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS,
SUBSTITUTIONARY AND PROXY, VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB
JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS. HALLELUJAH!!! THAT
IS THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD DO THAT FOR
US!!!
----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING HIS
CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF SCRIPTURE,
FINELY-TUNED.
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