DAVEH: Very good, Kevin. Now....why do you think ALL those things God
revealed are in the Bible?......Especially when we know there are some
things revealed that are not in the Bible. Wouldn't that suggest ALL means less than
everything?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I believe the Scriptures which say:
Acts 20:20 And how I kept back
nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and
have taught you publickly, and from house to house
MK 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have
foretold you ALL things.
JN 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of
truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that
shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Acts 10:33 Now therefore are we all here
present before God, to hear ALL things that
are commanded thee of God.
Acts 20;35 I have shewed
you all things
2 Co 7;14 but as we spake all
things to you in truth
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Is God trying to trick us by leaving out such "essential"
items out of the BoM????
DAVEH: No more so than he left things out of the Bible. Do you
believe the Bible contains all things pertaining to the gospel, Kevin?
(I assume not, but correct me if I am putting words in your mouth.)
Neither does the BoM.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
How can you be so sure, Kevin? Because something is not written in
either the Bible (or the BoM), you assume it did not happen....isn't
that perilous logic? As is commonly believed, 2/3 of the BofM have not
yet been revealed. And we know there is much that was not recorded or
revealed in the Bible. So...why would you make that assumption?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
"chrisrians? did not proxy baptise. Even Nephites did
not.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH: Hmmmm....why did you not answer my questions, Kevin? Do you
think those who practiced baptism for the dead in vs 29 believed
themselves to be followers of Christ, Kevin? And...why do you think
they were doing proxy baptisms, Kevin?
Even the Encyclopedia of Mormonism admits
that only a few isolated sects have practiced it, including the
heretical Marcionite sect in the second century, and the Ephrata
Society, a occult group in Pennsylvania in the 1700s The claim that
baptism for the dead was part of Primitive Christianity that was lost,
lacks any historical or logical basis.
Paul never taught Proxy Baptism anymore than he
taught it was OK to eat meat offered to Idols 1 Corinthians 8:10
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: DAVEH:
Then why do you think those early Christians who practiced proxy
baptism were doing it, Kevin? Do you think they believed was simply a REPRESENTATION?
Or do you suppose they thought it might have more significance than
simply being a "LIKENESS".
While baptism is certainly symbolic, do you think it may also
represent a covenant?
BTW......Do you think a man of faith can be saved IF he does not
repent?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: Hey Kevin........Do you have a
problem with me using 1Cor 15:29 in support of other Biblical passages
that become cumulative evidence that the Primitive Christians believed
a water baptism was necessary for salvation? It does lead one to that
logical conclusion, does it not?
Christians of all
ages accept the clear teaching that salvation is by Faith
BAPTISM as a REPRESENTATION
Baptism is a "LIKENESS" (Romans 6:5) a representation of something.
While not directly called a sign, there are examples of representations
throughout the scripture.
Rom 6 Therefore we are
buried with him by baptism into death: that LIKE as Christ was raised
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should
walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the
LIKENESS of his death, we shall be also in the LIKENESS of his
resurrection
LIKENESS: 1. The state,
quality, or fact of being like; resemblance. 2. An imitative
appearance; a semblance. 3. A pictorial, graphic, or sculptured
representation of something; an image.
Baptism pictures the burial and the resurrection
of Christ and our identification with His death, burial and
resurrection.
Abraham recieved the sign of circumcision a
representation of being right with god through faith
RM 4 And he received the sign
of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet
being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that
believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness
might be imputed unto them also:
Baptism is called a like FIGURE 1
Peter 3:21
The Lord's supper is a representation
also. Surely no one but the RCC believes you eat his literal body &
blood!
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