DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response, Perry! I must say
that I do find it rather curious that you would rather take a more
vigorous new tack against my beliefs rather than discuss issues of
theology common to both of us. May I ask what has prompted you to take
on this agenda with added enthusiasm? And, do you consider yourself to
be anti-Mormon?
I assume by now you fully realize you will not be converting me to
your form of beliefs. And while you may have higher hopes for Blaine,
I doubt you are going to bet the farm he will leave Mormonism either.
Furthermore, you must know that no other TTers sympathize with me or my
beliefs, so I can't imagine you are powering up your war against LDS
theology for their benefit. As you know....I am fascinated to know why
real Christians on TT like you believe as you do, and react to
LDS theology as you do, which is why I am on TT in the first place.
You say you are on a quest....why? I do hope you enlighten me as to
why you are getting so emphatic now.....just what is motivating you,
Perry???
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Between Kevin's response, and the response I made to David some time
ago (which you quoted in your response), my position should be clear
and I don't think there is any more that I can add. If you were to
accept my and Kevin's position, that 'ALL' really means 'ALL', then it
would mean you would have to deny that the BoM and D&C are revealed
works, and admit they they are inconsequential and unimportant texts
and, since mormonism stands or falls on these inconsequential texts,
you are not about to give up those saced cows.
Do you realize that by believing that there needs to be further
revelation beyond the 66 books we have today, you are absolutely
denying God's ability to get His word to His people, and denying that
the work of Christ on the cross, which is explained fully in the Bible,
and understood for centuries by milions, probably billions, of
Christians. Are you and all of your mormon brothers and sisters really
that arrogant?
DavidM, do not get worked up over the fact that I said 'no further
revelation'. I think you know what I mean by that.
Dave, I am starting on a new tack for my Mormon research. I have
always suspected that JS was under the influence of Satan, not being
the sharpest pencil in the pack, and that there are signs of Satan (the
real one) all through the mormon system...symbols, relationships,
rites, all of it. My new approach is to begin to identify and isolate
all of those items that are related directly to Satan to see if I can
produce a profile of Satan's works strictly from mormon sources.
For example, it makes sense that, since Satan has been severly
punished for his transgression of pride, and failed to defeat Jesus
and, in fact, was defeated BY Jesus at the cross, it makes sense that
in the satanically inspired mormon system he would make himself the
BROTHER of Jesus. Yes, fellow real Christians, the mormons consider
Satan to be the brother of Jesus. Not a fallen archangel...the actual
brother of Jesus. Unbiblical. Pure JS hype inspired by Satan himself.
If you cannot make yourself HIGHER than God, why not make yourself
EQUAL to the Son of God? By the way, the mormons also make themselves
EQUAL to the Son of God. Brothers of Satan. Eventually to become gods
themselves. Satan tried the same lie on Adam and Eve. It took him
thousands of yeasrs to perfect that lie, and we see it's fruit in the
mormon church.
Additionally, consider that in the Mormon temple ceremony (at least
from it's inception until it was purportedly removed), a play showed
Satan paying a Christian minister to preach Satan's gospel. What a
perfect ploy that Satan himself used to poison the attitude of
unsuspecting mormons into believing that the REAL church is SATANIC.
Reverse psychology at it's best.
Consider also that the symbols used on mormon temples are all
associated with the occult. AND, they never use the cross. The patented
mormon reason is that it is a symbol of torture. In part they are right
because IT IS A SYMBOL OF TORTURE TO SATAN BECAUSE IT WAS BY THE CROSS
THAT HE WAS DEFEATED!!!
Finally, Satan does not have to develop evil within people to win
their souls...in fact, he has developed a culture of some of the nicest
warm-fuzzy people on the planet...but all he has to do is to keep them
from knowing the real Christ, and he has done this by setting up a
counterfeit christ and false god to distract them. Lost souls a la
carte. My original question that began my quest to understand
mormonism, "How can such nice and wonderful people be so lost?" has
been answered.
My quest continues. If any of you real Christians on TT see any other
evidence that Satan is the mind and power behind JS and mormonism,
please let me know so I can research it and add it to my growing list
of evidence of Satan's grimy signature on the good, but deceived,
people of the mormon lie.
Perry
PS. There is still time. Once you die, there will be no way to change
your mind. (Hebrews 9:27) And "once" means "once". A million mormons
can be baptised vicariously for you, but the only thing that will
change is that there will be a million more wet mormons. You will then
know the truth. But it will be too late to set you free.
DAVEH: To Kevin and Perry, who both
responded to my post regarding *ALL God revealed* being included in the
Bible. I did not realize that my questions would find you so
disagreeable. DavidM previously posted what to me seemed a pretty
convincing argument (from Scripture) that I will post below. I don't
recall either of you getting excited about his suggestion that ALL is
not included in the Bible. Is your disagreement with me on this simply
because of my LDS background, or do you really believe ALL God has
revealed is included in the Bible???
Note: The passages you quoted before do not say ALL is included in
the Bible, Kevin. IF you have any passages that DO say such, please
post them. Otherwise, it would seem to be your opinion that ALL God
has revealed is included in the Bible....And I believe your opinion is
wrong.
Perry wrote:
I do beleive that the scriptures contain
all
knowledge and truth in that it provides all
knowledge and truth regarding spiritual things,
No way. Even Paul speaks of a man going into the third heaven and
receiving knowledge that was not lawful to utter. John bears similar
testimony in the book of Revelation, being forbidden to write certain
things that he heard. Apparently you have not yet had experiences like
this yourself.
Kevin wrote:
As someone who we all love once said: "It depends on what the
definition of IS, IS!"
As far as I am concerned ALL does not mean some. There is another word
for that it is called "some" You play fast and easy with the text. Just
another example of the LOW REGARD for God's Word of many on TT.
*Perfect example of forcing your context into the text!*
Isogesis is to come to the text with our own presuppositions and
thoughts coloring the way you read and interpret the text. Bringing
those things "into" the text is isogesis, rather than taking "out" of
the text, what it confers is exegesis
/Charles Perry Locke wrote:/
/From: Dave Hansen
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DAVEH: Wouldn't that suggest *_ALL_* means less than everything?
/
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Dave, are you pulling a Clinton here? Doesn't 'ALL' always mean 'ALL'?
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