Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:45 -0700

According to Lance's Narnia Theory of Interpretation and Post Modern Biblical Relativism, we can never really know what Lance is trying to communicate! 

Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the Bible
speaks to be understood, and it is written to inform
us. We must interpret, that's true, just as I must
interpret your post when I read it.

The Bible is very clear on what it means to be a child
of God and a brother of Jesus. It requires
interpretation to communicate at all, but when
something is stated blankly (John 1:12), how much spin
can we add before we are misinterpreting? Perhaps I
could have said "misinterpret" instead of "disregard,"
but I do believe the Mormons are genuinely ignoring
the Bible's stance on this one.

Blessings!

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Christine:Please! One need not disregard the Bible
> to believe anything. One
> need only disregard your interpretation. What you
> find to be the plain
> meaning of something is not necessarily what another
> thoughtful believe
> might find. Agreed?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: May 25, 2005 13:36
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
> angels. was: Dave uses
> Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>
>
> >
>
http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm
> >
> > What a wakeup call. I followed this link and found
> > this:
> >
> > JESUS CHRIST:
> >
> > LDS--A created being, the first spirit child of
> Elohim
> > and one of his wives, the spirit brother of
> Lucifer
> > the devil.
> >
> > So Jesus and Satan are BROTHERS? I thought Jesus
> was
> > my brother: Romans 8:29, "For whom he did
> foreknow, he
> > also did predestinate to be conformed to the image
> of
> > his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many
> > brethren." Paul is clearly talking about our
> adoption
> > by God the Father, who becomes our Father when we
> > "receive" His son (John 1:12) when he says earlier
> in
> > verse 19: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of
> > God, they are the sons of God." Lucifer is not led
> by
> > God's Spirit. He is engages in warfare against
> God's
> > Spirit. And he certainly has not received Jesus.
> >
> > To believe these things, one must first disregard
> the
> > Bible.
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Christine
> >
> > --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > There was a significant word game going on when
> I
> > > first arrived on this forum. LDS using words
> that
> > > seemed intended to cloak the true LDS
> understanding.
> > > I think the christians here have a far better
> > > understanding of mormonism now then in past
> years
> > >
> > > There are words that are familiar to christians
> that
> > > have a different meaning to LDS
> > > Word Christian LDS meaning
> > > Gentile NON Jew - NON LDS
> > > angel created spirit being - ressurected man
> > > Virgin birth
> > > Gospel
> > > Fall bad -good
> > > Jesus Christ
> > > Godhead Trinity - committee composed of gods
> > > including SATAN
> > > council in heaven - The meeting in the premortal
> > > life of the Godhead and spirits designated for
> this
> > > earth, in which the plan of salvation was
> presented.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/premortal/Council_EOM.htm
> > > At a certain point in the council, the Father
> asked,
> > > "Whom shall I send [as the Redeemer]?" Jesus
> Christ,
> > > known then as the great I AM and as Jehovah,
> > > answered, "Here am I, send me," and agreed to
> follow
> > > the Father's plan (Moses 4:1-4; Abr. 3:27). As a
> > > counter-measure, Lucifer offered himself and an
> > > amendment to the Father's plan of saving mankind
> > > that would not respect their agency
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > > David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him
> > > credit for being. He knows
> > > what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I
> have
> > > no problem with him
> > > pushing his mormon views into the discussions
> > > here...I just want him to
> > > acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is
> > > intentionally misinterpreting
> > > this as my not wanting him to espouse mormonism
> on
> > > the forum. That is NOT my
> > > goal. My goal is to get him to own his actions.
> To
> > > say he is NOT pushing
> > > mormonism, then push it anyway is disengenuous.
> > > Then, to turn it around as
> > > though I do not welcome his mormon views is a
> lie.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > > >From: "David Miller"
> > > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
> angels.
> > > was: Dave uses Socratic
> > > >Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
> > > >Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:31 -0400
> > > >
> > > >DaveH wrote:
> > > > > Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS
> > > theology on
> > > > > TT, yet some wish to criticize me for
> complying
> > > with their wishes.
> > > > > Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance.
> > > >
> > > >Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all
> > > about and Dave Hansen's
> > > >situation in regards to this forum.
> > > >
> > > >TruthTalk is meant to be a forum where people
> from
> > > different religions and
> > > >different backgrounds can share their beliefs
> and
> > > teachings with the rest
> > > >of
> > > >us. We, in turn, can judge what they teach and
> > > examine it. We can raise
> > > >objections or questions concerning what is
> being
> > > said. The goal is
> > > >learning
> > > >and getting a better undertanding of both what
> we
> > > believe and what others
> > > >believe.
> > > >
> > > >Dave Hansen is LDS Mormon and he has as much
> right
> > > here as anybody else to
> > > >teach or post his views. In like manner, his
> > > teachings will be examined
> > > >and
> > > >questioned by others. This is the nature of the
> > > forum. I would not say
> > > >that it is a "no win situation" just because a
> > > person's viewpoint is
> > > >criticized in this forum. If you share your
> views,
> > > expect some examination
> > > >and perhaps criticism if someone thinks that
> the
> > > viewpoint deserves such.
> > > >
> > > >Now in regards to the question of why DaveH is
> > > here. I have read both Dave
> > > >and Perry's exchange on this, and personally I
> find
> > > Dave's reasons for
> > > >being
> > > >here consistent. He has an interest in knowing
> what
> > > Protestants believe
> > > >and
> > > >why. He interacts with us, and in doing so, is
> > > questioned about his
> > > >beliefs. He responds to such questions in a way
>
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