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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:55:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:54:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jt says BSF 'speaks of it' (the incarnation) without 'doctrinizing' (my word) it. Does BSF speak of the Trinitarian nature of God (one being three persons) in just the same fashion? jt: When I wrote this Lance I was saying that they
spoke of the incident from the gospel of Luke this year. The word incarnation is
not scriptural and neither are the words Trinity and Trinitarian, or theological
and/or eschatological .. so much that you hold sacred is man made.
JD writes: BSF folk speak of these concepts using these very words, incarnation, trinity and trinitarian. The words DESCRIBE concepts that exclusively biblical. jt: Not the lessons I've worked on JD; when BSF
deal with the incarnation, it is the impregnation of Mary by the Holy Spirit and
not this other huge cosmological concept. When they use the word
trinity they refer to the Godhead I've never seen any mention of the so
called "divine dance" which is a 4th century construct.
JD: You would judge all of BSF in this, not to mention Baptists,
Methodists, and the like. Now, because they use the word(s) does not make
it "right." I admitt to this. But when a word describes that
which is biblical , how can it be wrong. You have used such words in
the past -- words not found in the bible -- to convey a point.
jt: The concepts you promote having to do with these
words are not scriptural because you take a part and try to make it the whole;
partial truth is misleading - the same as a lie.
Lance wrote: IMO you, Judy, are illustrative of my point to CPL. You
teach/preach a different Jesus than the bishop. Without doubt, Judy, you do.
Some parts of your teaching 'probably' border on being heretical. Even if this
is so, yet do I believe God's Grace includes you.(Don't get sidetracked
identifying my 'presumptuousness' in so speaking)
jt: Well the $50 million question then would have
to be - who has the genuine and who has the counterfeit. You don't need to
apologize Lance, I'm not under any allusion that you are the one who has been
appointed judge over such matters. jt
JD: And here is another difficult position. You and DM and many
others, make your efforts -- especially what you think - more
important than the grace of God.
jt: Grace is not a "cover" for sin JD and I believe the
way I do because I see it in the Word of God when taken in balance and in
context. Grace is another concept that has been stretched all out of
proportion over the years until it is something other now than it was at the
start.
JD: You imply in this very paragraph that one must "think" right or
the object of the thought is non-existent. "Huh ??" you
say. Let me splain -- God 's character and
comittments must be correctly understood or you have the "wrong" God
-- that seems to the crux of your message, here.
jt: I wouldn't phrase it exactly that way JD.
What I believe is that "God's ppl perish for lack of knowledge" (Hosea 4:6)
and those without the correct understanding are still in bondage, the
promises of God are made null and void in their lives. As for saved/lost - I
don't even want to go there.
JD: My children have misunderstood me in the function of "father."
They know better now, (the youngest is 21) but there have been times when they
were at the end of the road and in a failed effort and feared coming to me for
help because of a wrong conception of how I might react. "Man Dad, I
thought you would go through the roof on this" was the associated comment.
Did I cease to exists because THEIR concept of me was totally mistaken?&
nbsp; Not on your life. IF GOD IS REAL, HE EXISTS FAR ABOVE
OUR WORTHLESS SURMISSINGS ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE.
jt: What you describe above is the "wrong" kind of fear
and since we are basically evil natural analogies can only go so far. Of
course God exists - we can know this by the creation as per Romans 1:19,20 and
this is about as far as your analogy goes JD. To violate
His testimonies, commandments, and statutes has disastrous consequences as
we see in the life of King David (who is called a man after God's own
heart). He paid dearly every time he missed it and his whole family
suffered because sin has a ripple effect like throwing a rock into a pond -
it causes devastation and effects a lot of ppl. God being love does
not change this reality in the least. jt
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- Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Judy Taylor
