John,
How far "NOT RIGHT" is too far "NOT RIGHT"? It seems that here is a
continuum of belief in people, ranging from the totally unbelieving atheist
to the very devout believing Chrsitian. Or on another scale, from the
Satanist to the Christian. Do you think that ALL will be saved regardless of
how "NOT RIGHT" they are? Where will the line be drawn? There is no "almost
saved", or "saved a little", or "saved more than me"...there is only saved
and unsaved. What will detrmine where the line will be drawn? Can you know
on which side of the line you fall? Can you be deceived into thinking that
you are on the "RIGHT" side of the line when, indeed, you are on the "NOT
RIGHT" side of the line?
Perry
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:21:39 -0400
I would think that we all choose to believe whatever based upon our view of
the credibility of the "truth source" closest to us in terms of time and
space. I mean, if Blaine was "born a Mormon,' his first source of
"truth" would be his parents. Who's he going to believe -- his parents
or some guy standing cross the street waving underwear. And, by the time
he gets to a free thinking age, he already has such a systematize faith
that little will prevail against it. THAT'S NORMAL. Blaine may or not
believe this -- but -------------------- THANK GOD WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE
RIGHT.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:20:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
Lance, what I also hear is that we all choose to believe what we want to
believe, regardless of the facts, or lack thereof.
However, I believe that when a grain of truth is revealed, but not
immediately accepted, a cognitive dissonance is created and stored away
that must eventually be resolved. This, I believe, is why people that, for
example, become a Christian after denying the evidence for years, suddenly
believe it ALL. The act of becoming a Christian resolves all of the small
dissonant ideas they have stored away. So, I beleive that if Blaine ever
decides to become a Christian, thus resolving all of the small dissonant
facts he has stored away, he will be one of the greatest Christians ever.
That is to say, when he takes all of the energy he expends defending a
false religion, and turns it toward defending the truth, watch out!
I speak from my own experience. I got to the point where I could no
longer deny the truth. All of the lies I told myself about why I could not
accept Christianity vanished literally overnight, and all of the truths I
had learned through the years, but not accepted, all became a viable part
of my belief.
Perry
>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:05:42 -0400
>
>Even if, if, if, if you were absolutely correct, CPL, you know that he is
>NOT prepared to acknowledge this. Please read my post on 'belief'. You
are
>as likely to be posting as a Mormon as he (Blaine) is likely to be
posting
>as what you deem to be a 'christian'.
>
>If there is present on TT a six day young earth creationist, can you or
>anyone on TT imagine them forfeiting this 'belief' in order to believe
>'teleological evolutionism'? Impossible? No! Likely? Snowball's chance...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: June 13, 2005 08:55
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
>
>
> > Baline,
> >
> > Sometimes it is right to doubt. But, when shown the evidence, even
>Thomas
> > believed. We will only know for sure when you present the facts and
let
>me
> > evaluate them. The point is that if there is no real evidence, then
the
> > scripture is most likely not related to the anecdote at all.
> >
> > Blaine, are you willing to admit that since there is no real
>evidence,
> > then it is possible that the scripture is not related to the anecdote?
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:55:37 EDT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Blaine: Probably nothing that would satisfy your "Doubting Thomas"
> > >attitude, Perry.
> > >
> > >In a message dated 6/11/2005 10:34:43 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >Yes, I have heard that story, but that does not relate the event to
>the
> > >Isaiah passage. We still have two separate stories with no ties other
>than
> > >some common words. One from scripture, one anecdotal. Do you have
>anything
> > >that actually links them?
> > >
> > >Perry
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > >To: [email protected]
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
> > > >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:28:12 EDT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Blaine: Have you not read/heard the story of Martin Harris taking
> > > >characters copied from the plates (by JS) to Professor Charles
>Anthon,
> > >and
> > >
> > > >first
> > > >being told they were true characters, but then being rebuffed by
>him
> > >when
> > > >he was
> > > >told a portion of the plates were sealed, and therefore could not
>be
> > > >dellivered to him for translation?
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 6/11/2005 8:18:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > >Blaine wrote: The sealed portion has yet to be translated, but
> > >contains
> > > >"the vision of all." see Isaiah. 29:11
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may
>know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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