DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty bold statement, Kevin. Is
another example of a lie you are promulgating?
It is just the plain truth and very easy to prove, who is
twisting here?
Who is lying here?
Joseph Smith also declared, "I believe the Bible as it read when
it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators,
careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed
many errors" (Translation of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
Apostle Mark E. Peterson said, "Many insertions were made, some
of them 'slanted' for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate
falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated
Correctly, p. 4).
Apostle Orson Pratt stated: "If it be admitted that the apostles
and evangelists did write the books of the New Testament, that does not
prove of itself that they were divinely inspired at the time they
wrote.... Add all this imperfection to the uncertainty of the
translation, and who, IN HIS RIGHT MIND could for one moment
suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who
knows that even one verse of the Bible has escaped pollution,
so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original?"
(Divine Authority of the Book of Mormon, pp. 45, 47)
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt further proclaimed, "The Bible
has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having
been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have
left, were copied and re-copied so many times, that it is
admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to
that degree that scarcely any two of them read alike" (The
Seer, p. 213)
BOM, II Nephi 29:6-10 (Pg.110), "Thou fool, that shall
say: A Bible, we have got a Bible and we need no more Bible…
Wherefore because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it
contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused
more to be written."
Joseph Smith stated: "it was apparent that many important points
touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible,
or lost before it was compiled" (Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith, p.10); "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from
the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless
transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many
errors" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
When: "the book [Bible] proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew...it
contained the fullness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve
apostles bear record" (1 Nephi 13:24), but afterwards "thou seest the
formation of that great and abominable church...after the book hath
gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that
there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book,
which is the book of the Lamb of God. And after these plain
and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations
of the Gentiles" (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13:26,28). See also Doctrines
of Salvation, vol.3, p.190-191.
"many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible,
and there cannot be any more Bible...Wherefore because that ye have a
Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need
ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written" (Book of Mormon,
2 Nephi 29:3,10).
When his "revelation" about Adam being God was disputed, Brigham Young
stated: "You believe Adam was made of the dust of this earth. This I do
not believe...I have
publicly declared that I do not believe that portion of the Bible as
the Christian world do. I never did, and I
never want to. What is the reason I do not? Because I have
come to understanding, and banished from my mind all the baby
stories my mother taught me when I was a child" ( Journal of
Discourses, vol.2, p.6).
Orson Pratt's lack of confidence in the Bible is
obvious: "...and who, in his right mind, could for one
moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? No
one can tell whether even one verse of either the Old or New Testament
conveys the ideas of the original author" (Journal of Discourses, vol.
7, p. 28).
Apostle Bruce McConkie: "Ignorant translators, careless
transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many
errors, many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of
which error and falsehood poured into the churches. One of the great
heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the
Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men"
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82,83).
McConkie continues: The Bible of the Old World has come
to us from the manuscripts of antiquity - manuscripts which passed
through the hands of uninspired men who changed many parts to suit
their own doctrinal ideas. Deletions were common, and, as it now
stands, many plain and precious portions and many covenants of the Lord
have been lost. As a consequence, those who rely upon it [the Bible]
alone stumble and are confused... (The Ensign, December 1985, p 55).
Mormon Apostle Mark E. Petersen accused manuscript
copyists of deliberately tampering with the Bible: "Many insertions
were made, some of them slanted for selfish purposes, while at times
deliberate falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As
Translated Correctly, p.4).
Comparisons made by Mormon Leaders between the
Bible and Book of Mormon
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President Ezra Taft Benson stated: "Unlike the Bible, which passed
through generations of copyists, translators, and corrupt religionists
who tampered with the text, the Book of Mormon came from writer to
reader in just one inspired step of translation" ("The Keystone of Our
Religion", The Ensign, January 1992, page 5).
Joseph Smith claimed: "I told the brethren that the Book
of Mormon was more correct than any book on earth, and the keystone of
our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its
precepts, than by any other book" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, p.194).
An official and widely read LDS publication reads: "Men
can get nearer to the Lord, can have more of the spirit of conversion
and conformity in their hearts...can gain a better understanding of the
doctrines of salvation through the Book of Mormon than they can through
the Bible...there will be more people saved in the kingdom of God - ten
thousand times over - because of the Book of Mormon than there will be
because of the Bible" (The Ensign, November 1984, p. 7).
A letter from the First Presidency (Presidents Benson,
Hinckley, and Monson) to all members of the Church states: "The most
reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by
comparing different texts, but by comparison with the Book of Mormon
and modern-day revelations". (Church News, June 20, 1992, page 3,
letter dated May 22, 1992).
LDS
have no faith in God's word.
DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty bold statement, Kevin. Is another example
of a lie you are promulgating?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
LDS have no faith in God's word.
The LDS god is a pipsqueak who can not preserve his
word lost it in a hill for thousands of years. Lost the faith too, for
almost 200years there was NO faith on earth, with a pipsqueak like
that, nothing is shocking.
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>From:
Dave Hansen
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>Dave. Look at me. He has already made that judgement, not me.
>
>DAVEH: From the tone of you posts, it didn't seem that way.
>
>>He wrote it in the Bible so that I can know the real Jesus and
God, and
>>not go chasing after false ones.
>
>DAVEH: As I see it, you've cut short your ability to see beyond the
Bible,
>Perry. You apparently see the The Bible as being enough, yet I
think
>presents unasked questions that many Protestants (and TTers) seem
to want
>to avoid pondering. I just don't feel comfortable with such a
limited
>perspective.
The Bible IS enough, Dave. The Bible contains prophecy that sees
through
to the end, way beyond when it was written. So, why would anything mor
e be
ne eded? It has served its intended purpose for thousands of years
without
the musings of JS, and will continue to server that purpose until the
end of
all things. It is the mormons that have itching ears and seek the
doctrines
of man (specifically JS), to turn a phrase. Enjoy it, Dave. That's as
good
as it gets.
Perry
