Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

[Judy Taylor]

Appears as though JD is not able to endure sound doctrine ...

 

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Typical JD straw man technique accuse Judy of emotionalism and judgementalism

 

Notice JD did not even attempt to answer why God destroyed all except 8! 

Instead he sends up smoke signals to cloud the issue.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:04:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

JD you are disingenious from the start.  While claiming to be a pastor and not a theologian you title this little rant against God's Word 'A heuristic consideration' which is 'theological' - The word isn't even found in a regular dictionary so the word is poorly chosen because it is not in one of your "regular dictionaries?"   I have a Websters and and a Cambridge dictionary and the word appears in both.  We, all of us who study the biblical message,  are putting scripture together in an effort to make the Message work for us with the least amount of problems.  "Heuristic' has to do with that very process.  and would not be understood by ordinary every day sheep (the ones God calls). Apparently you are upset that I did not include myself as being a theologian.&n bsp;  Thank you but, alas,  I am a lowly pastor and nothing more.   Second problem - How can you shepherd anyone and be an example to others of how to follow Christ when you are not walking in the light yourself?  You have legalized God's Word and made it into something it was never meant to be while ATST embracing an entirely opportunistic message for yourself.  Honestly,  I have no idea what this last sentence means. 

 

In all of your anthropological considerations have you ever wondered why only 8 persons were saved through the flood the first time and why Jesus brings this up in Matt 24:38,39?  God was so pleased with 99.9% of the world population that he destroyed them all.  You and Lance remind me of the Jews who clung to the fact that they were 'Abraham's seed' and that was going to save them.  You can quote your 'incarnation' doctrine all over the place but if you do not have fruit in your life meet for repentance - you will wind up in the same shape as them.

 

As for the things written aforetime (which includes all of God's laws, statutes, and commandments); they were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.  You can throw them out if you like.  As for me I believe "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul" and my soul needs converting every day until it is completely conformed to the image of Christ.

 And that is fine.   I cannot ignore the comments in Romans 2-5 nor the entire letter to the Galatians on this subject.   My comments below constitute a substantive consideration that would best be rebutted with equally substantive comments.    Emotionalism and judgmentalism  are not appropriate responses to argumentation.   Such is the reasoning of a lynch mob  --  not a student in a discussion forum.  I will be glad to consider any biblical or philosophical argument you may wish to share.  

 

JD

 

 

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:38:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

A Heuristic Consideration

 

The scriptures I have seen used to support the Law are scriptures written to and for and by the Jews on that subject.   The Law is a late date administration coming hundreds if not thousands of years after the creation event.    When it was presented to "mankind,"  it was given to an extremely small part of "mankind."    The Old Testament is not the story (IMO)  of the people of God verses the condemned.  Rather, it is the story of the people of God AS DEFINED BY THE MOSICAL COVENANT exclusive of any other anthropological consideration.    There is no reason to believe that the rest of mankind is lost and hell bound because they were not Jewish.  In fact, in Romans 2 gives us a little insight int o just how things may have worked for the 90% of humanity who were never given the Law.  Paul makes it clear  (I believe) that th e purpose of the Law was best seen in the fact that it served as a tutor until the coming of Christ................. who, in turn, reconciled the 10% (the Jew) with the 90% (everyone else on earth).   

 

Perhaps I have not stated things as accurately as I might  -  being a pastor and not a theologian.  But the above needs to be considered as we formulate our opinions on The Law.  

 

JD 

 

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