Sent: June 21, 2005 06:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Contention
Thats it?
The way you been squeling I thought it might be a biggie,
Seems you have missed the post about "creator"
1) In short Did Jesus create everything that was made? (every planet,
every atom HB 11:3)Through faith we understand that the
worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not
made of things which do appear.
2) Did he create out of nothing or just Organized what already
existed?
3) Did others have a part or did he create it all by himself?
4) Did Jesus create Satan or are they brothers?
From a Mormon:
Mormons believe that Jesus, Satan, and all mankind were present with
Heavenly Father before the world was created.
If you can clarify here, you can establish your claims go
ahead.
As I said before if I am ANTI Mormon then you are ANTI Christian!
There are plenty of others that see this too.
The word "anti-Mormon" is what's called a "thought-terminating
cliché," or in other words, an Orwellian "newspeak" term. The
purposeful use of a word like this is a subtle brainwashing (or
"conditioning," if "brainwashing" is too strong of an _expression_) technique.
By arbitrarily branding all so-called "opponents" with a word
specifically designed to create a mental aversion, the
leadership of an organization cues their membership to
subconsciously censor themselves every time they use the
word. This is a common tactic employed by authoritarian
organizations which seek to reduce the flow of information to their followers.
Games Mormon People Play The Strategies and Diversions of Latter-day Saint
Apologists
Maybe a better definition is A name usually attributed to Bible
Christians who try to evangelize Mormons. Oftentimes Mormons
accuse such people of being motivated by hatred and bigotry.
"Why do the Elders of the Church hold their peace, instead
of contradicting the various falsehoods, which are published concerning them
and their principles? The answer is, it would require a standing army of
writers and printers in constant employ; for no sooner are our enemies
detected in one falsehood, than a thousand more are put in circulation by
them: and there are many who love a lie so much more than the
truth, that we are quite willing they should enjoy their strong
delusion." (Parley P. Pratt, Mormonism Unveiled, 1838)
Is this site then calling all those listed in the
links that follow Lovers of Lies?
Seems the real problem with John Ankerberg is maybe he really
does not have all those degress another Lover of LIES!
This Mormon site calls the Tanners ANTI not because of any UNTRUTH but
because the facts they present portrays the Church in an unfavorable light.
During the Hoffman escapade it was the Tanners that got it right from the
start!
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/Publications_EOM.htm During
the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Church had a generally favorable public
image as reflected in the news media. That image became more negative in the
later 1970s and the early 1980s. Church opposition to the equal rights
amendment and the excommunication of Sonia Johnson for apostasy, the Church's
position with respect to priesthood and blacks (changed in 1978), a First
Presidency statement opposing the MX missile, the John Singer episode
including the bombing of an LDS meetinghouse, tensions between some historians
and Church leaders, the forged "Salamander" letter, and the other Mark Hofmann
forgeries and murders have provided grist for negative press and television
commentary. The political leverage of the Church and its financial holdings
have also been subjects of articles with a strong negative orientation.
Apostle Oaks " When we say anything bad about the
leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend to impair
their influence and their usefulness and are thus working against the
Lord and his cause. In Conference Report, Apr. 1947, p. 24." Address
to Church Educational System teachers, Aug. 16, 1985.
So if you speak Truth and it is against the leaders of the church,
it is "working against the Lord"?
Apostle Oaks "Thus, if Mormon Enigma reveals
information that is detrimental to the reputation of Joseph Smith, then it is
necessary to try to limit its influence and that of its authors."
In what ways do you think Apostle oaks would LIMIT the influence of
the Author?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:
Here are two recent ones.......
Then why is everyone witha
criticism of the church an "ANTI"
.............and the other
is when you implied that I believe Jesus is
not the
Creator
.........Both the above comments are in error, and
I've asked you to acknowledge such. For some strange reason, you seem
to be reluctant to admit your error. That makes me wonder why you
would want to continue promulgating these lies. Wouldn't it just be
easier to admit that you were wrong? Or....do you sincerely
believe you are right in both assertions? If so, then I am
somewhat amazed that you would stare truth in the face and deny
it.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
spreading false information is
sullying their reputation more than it
is promoting their
message..
I have asked for examples of misleading before,
you failed to provide them. Your false allegations continue.
Go ahead list all these falsehoods. Or stop lying.
Dave
Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Yes I have missionaries stop to talk or say hello all over the
US.
They say "hey remember me" stuff like that.
Some I see every GC, every pag.
There is no misapprehension of where I stand they understand
it clearly, that it does not mean we are
enemies!
DAVEH: I'm happy to hear that,
Kevin. I'd like to think you aren't spoiling for a fight.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the
Truth?
DAVEH: I don't view you as
an enemy of mine, Kevin, despite your attempt to foster falsehoods about
what I believe.
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Dave Hansen
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http://www.langlitz.com
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