Sent:
June 21, 2005 06:34
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Contention
Thats it?
The way you been squeling I thought it might be a biggie,
Seems you have missed the post about "creator"
1) In short Did Jesus create everything that was made? (every planet,
every atom HB 11:3)Through faith we understand that
the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen
were not made of things which do appear.
2) Did he create out of nothing or just Organized what already
existed?
3) Did others have a part or did he create it all by himself?
4) Did Jesus create Satan or are they brothers?
From a Mormon:
Mormons believe that Jesus, Satan, and all mankind were present with
Heavenly Father before the world was created.
If you can clarify here, you can establish your claims go
ahead.
As I said before if I am ANTI Mormon then you are ANTI
Christian!
There are plenty of others that see this too.
The word "anti-Mormon" is what's called a
"thought-terminating cliché," or in other words, an
Orwellian "newspeak" term. The purposeful use of a word like this is
a subtle brainwashing (or "conditioning," if "brainwashing" is too strong
of an _expression_) technique. By arbitrarily branding all so-called
"opponents" with a word specifically designed to create a mental
aversion, the leadership of an organization cues their
membership to subconsciously censor themselves
every time they use the word. This is a common tactic
employed by authoritarian organizations which seek to reduce the flow of
information to their followers.
Games Mormon People Play
The Strategies and Diversions of
Latter-day Saint Apologists
Maybe a better definition is A name usually attributed to Bible
Christians who try to evangelize Mormons. Oftentimes
Mormons accuse such people of being motivated by hatred and
bigotry.
"Why do the Elders of the Church hold their peace,
instead of contradicting the various falsehoods, which are published
concerning them and their principles? The answer is, it would require a
standing army of writers and printers in constant employ; for no sooner
are our enemies detected in one falsehood, than a thousand more are put in
circulation by them: and there are many who love a lie so much
more than the truth, that we are quite willing they should enjoy
their strong delusion." (Parley P. Pratt, Mormonism Unveiled, 1838)
Is this site then calling all those listed in
the links that follow Lovers of Lies?
Seems the real problem with John Ankerberg is maybe he really
does not have all those degress another Lover of LIES!
This Mormon site calls the Tanners ANTI not because of any UNTRUTH
but because the facts they present portrays the Church in an unfavorable
light. During the Hoffman escapade it was the Tanners that got it right
from the start!
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/Publications_EOM.htm During
the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Church had a generally favorable
public image as reflected in the news media. That image became more
negative in the later 1970s and the early 1980s. Church opposition to the
equal rights amendment and the excommunication of Sonia Johnson for
apostasy, the Church's position with respect to priesthood and blacks
(changed in 1978), a First Presidency statement opposing the MX missile,
the John Singer episode including the bombing of an LDS meetinghouse,
tensions between some historians and Church leaders, the forged
"Salamander" letter, and the other Mark Hofmann forgeries and murders have
provided grist for negative press and television commentary. The political
leverage of the Church and its financial holdings have also been subjects
of articles with a strong negative orientation.
Apostle Oaks " When we say anything bad about the
leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend to impair
their influence and their usefulness and are thus working against
the Lord and his cause. In Conference Report, Apr. 1947, p. 24."
Address to Church Educational System teachers, Aug. 16, 1985.
So if you speak Truth and it is against the leaders of the
church, it is "working against the Lord"?
Apostle Oaks "Thus, if Mormon Enigma reveals
information that is detrimental to the reputation of Joseph Smith, then it
is necessary to try to limit its influence and that of its authors."
In what ways do you think Apostle oaks would LIMIT the
influence of the Author?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Here are two recent ones.......
Then why is everyone witha
criticism of the church an "ANTI"
.............and the
other is when you implied that I believe Jesus is
not the
Creator
.........Both the above comments are in error,
and I've asked you to acknowledge such. For some strange reason,
you seem to be reluctant to admit your error. That makes me wonder
why you would want to continue promulgating these lies. Wouldn't
it just be easier to admit that you were wrong? Or....do you
sincerely believe you are right in both assertions? If so,
then I am somewhat amazed that you would stare truth in the face and
deny it.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
spreading false
information is sullying their reputation more than it
is promoting
their message..
I have asked for examples of misleading
before, you failed to provide them. Your false allegations continue.
Go ahead list all these falsehoods. Or stop
lying.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Yes I have missionaries stop to talk or say hello all over
the US.
They say "hey remember me" stuff like that.
Some I see every GC, every pag.
There is no misapprehension of where I stand they understand
it clearly, that it does not mean we are
enemies!
DAVEH: I'm happy to hear that,
Kevin. I'd like to think you aren't spoiling for a fight.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you
the Truth?
DAVEH: I don't view
you as an enemy of mine, Kevin, despite your attempt to foster
falsehoods about what I believe.
