Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

[Dave Hansen]

It seems to me that they think God the Father as well as Jesus Christ were both, at some time prior to the incarnation, like us with all of our frailties and imperfections. DAVEH:   Not quite right, DavidM.  To explain it will take a bit of effort.   Let me know if I lose you on this....     When you say Jesus was like us with our frailties and imperfections, I assume you mean in our mortal bodies.  After Jesus was born into mortality, then yes....he became like us with weaknesses and temptations.  But since we believe that we existed with Jesus in the pre-mortal existence, we believe that while in our spirit forms (existence) Jesus was like us as well, though he was ordained a God, whereas you and I were not.  But....I believe he could have rejected such a calling, had he chosen to do so.  IOW...free agency existed in the pre-mortal existence, as is evidenced by Lucifer and those who chose to follow him instead of the Lord.     As for God the Father, many (probably most) LDS folks believe he went through a similar mortal process as we do.  However, that is not official LDS doctrine, but rather speculation by many based both on the comments of many LDS leaders over the years and of a logical (which is not necessarily good logic in this case) conclusion extrapolated from our perception of the plan of salvation.       Does that clarify it, DavidM....or did I just confuse the issue? David Miller wrote: John wrote to Judy: How do I include you in the family of God and NOT our Mormon participants? Do you really think that Judy's theology about the Godhead would determine whether or not she is in the family of God? Does God accept or reject us based upon theology or faith? I perceive that Judy's understanding of the Godhead is fine. It seems to me that Judy perceives that Jesus Christ was eternally God in eternity past, but then at the time of the incarnation, he was made a little lower than the angels and was then begotten a Son at a distinct point in time, when he was born of Mary. The Mormons differ. It seems to me that they think God the Father as well as Jesus Christ were both, at some time prior to the incarnation, like us with all of our frailities and imperfections. Correct me if I have that wrong, DaveH. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.