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As Rush often says to his callers (in a very
patronising manner which I don't intend herein) 'you've swerved into something
that is utterly profound.' Speaking only for myself Judy, I believe that the
answer to your question is 'YES AND IT IS NO'. As to our Mormon participants, I
believe the answer is more likely to be an unequivocal 'YES'. How wide is 'THE
WIDENESS OF GOD'S MERCY?' IFF, from God's perspective, Judy Taylor and David
Miller, have misunderstood the matter of the 'eternal sonshiip' of the second
Person of the Trinity and, IFF, when it arises in conversation, they teach
it.........well.....shall we go on?
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Sent: June 22, 2005 05:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Lance, in view of our discussion yesterday - would
you say that you and I believe in a different Jesus?
Still waiting ... judyt
Please Dave, read Perry's post of yesterday
then, answer my question. Would you say, in lieu of Perry's 'list' that we
(you and I) believe in a different Jesus? IMO Perry is quite correct in
those distinctions he points out.
DAVEH: No, I do not
recall saying that. However, I believe we all are viewing the same
Jesus, but have different perspectives on what we see. The Jesus I
believe in the same one found in the Bible which is the same one you
believe as you read about him in the Bible. That does not mean we
both view him the same way. Does that make sense,
Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
Have you said that their's is a 'different'
Jesus?
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Sent:
June 21, 2005 00:55
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not upon me
to define the Jesus I believe in, but rather it is on the person who
suggests I don't believe in Jesus. FTR....I have not said that
the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or any other TTer believes in is a false
Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in Jesus."
IFF we are going to engage in a conversation that entails reality,
then we have to continue to build upon that which has been said
previously.According to you THE JESUS TO BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST
FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN MORMON TEACHING. Is this
so? The Jesus believed in by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a
false Jesus. Is this not also so? (unwieldy but, you get my
point)What, IYO, are the eternal consequenses for
non-Mormons?
Mr. Moderator:Please grant DaveH the
opportunity of fully answering and, explaining.
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Sent:
June 19, 2005 23:02
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in
Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that you've made the
judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He
will!
He Has!
JN 3:18 He that believeth on
him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned
already
DAVEH:
I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more comfortable
letting God make that judgment than you.
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
> David,
>
> Romans
10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord
> Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath
raised him from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For
with the heart man believeth unto
> righteousness; and
with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
>
> But, as I have stated before, the
right jesus and right god must be
> at the center of
one's faith. I am not just harassing you, Dave, I
>
honestly do believe that the mormons worship false
gods.
>
> Perry
>
>> From: Dave
Hansen
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
To: [email protected]
>>
Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005
00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH:
Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT
tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that those
who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've
>> heard
many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate, what else
>> is needed, Perry?
>>
>> Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is
great. Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano y mano,
>>> so to speak
:-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased in
that way, because both you and Blaine admit
>>>
to following the christ and jesus of mormonism, so it is my
opinion
>>> that you are lost since I believe
that they are false gods. If I
>>> thought that
you guys were saved in spite of the teachings of the
>>> mormon church I would not be spending so much
time exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon
church to you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom
line is that God makes that ultimate decision, not
I.
>>>
>>>
Perry
>>>
>>
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