DAVEH: I thought I adequately answered that question in my posts
yesterday, Lance. That Perry, you or I may have different perspectives
on whether Jesus is best described by the Trinity Doctrine, LDS
theology or perhaps some other speculative thoughts one (you) might
have, we are all referring to the Jesus who hung on the cross to bring
us salvation. What color his hair, what size his stature, whatever our
perception of where he came from, or whatever attributes or
distinctions one may think Jesus has.....IF we are all talking about
the Jesus the Bible tells us died on the cross in our behalf, then I do
not feel it relevant to me to berate your belief in Jesus. If you want
to berate mine....that is your choice. But once again FTR.....I
believe Jesus is my Redeemer and Savior, and nobody in TT or out can
persuade me to deny Christ.
Lance Muir wrote:
Please Dave, read Perry's post of
yesterday then, answer my question. Would you say, in lieu of Perry's
'list' that we (you and I) believe in a different Jesus? IMO Perry is
quite correct in those distinctions he points out.
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DAVEH: No, I do not recall saying that. However, I believe we all are
viewing the same Jesus, but have different perspectives on what we
see. The Jesus I believe in the same one found in the Bible which is
the same one you believe as you read about him in the Bible. That does
not mean we both view him the same way. Does that make sense, Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
Have you said that their's is a
'different' Jesus?
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DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not upon me to define the Jesus I
believe in, but rather it is on the person who suggests I don't believe
in Jesus. FTR....I have not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or
any other TTer believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe
in Jesus." IFF we are going to engage in a conversation that entails
reality, then we have to continue to build upon that which has been
said previously.According to you THE JESUS TO BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST
FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN MORMON TEACHING. Is this so? The
Jesus believed in by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a false Jesus. Is
this not also so? (unwieldy but, you get my point)What, IYO, are the
eternal consequenses for non-Mormons?
Mr. Moderator:Please grant
DaveH the opportunity of fully answering and, explaining.
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DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that
you've made the judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He will!
He Has!
JN 3:18 He that
believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already
DAVEH:
I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more comfortable
letting God make that judgment than you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> David,
>
> Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the
Lord
> Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him
from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth
unto
> righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
>
> But, as I have stated before, the right jesus and right god must
be
> at the center of one's faith. I am not just harassing you, Dave, I
> honestly do believe that the mormons worship false gods.
>
> Perry
>
>> From: Dave Hansen
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH: Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that those who believe in Jesus are saved, as
I've
>> heard many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate, what
else
>> is needed, Perry?
>>
>> Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is great. Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano
y mano,
>>> so to speak :-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased in that way, because both you and
Blaine admit
>>> to following the christ and jesus of mormonism, so it is
my opinion
>>> that you are lost since I believe that they are false
gods. If I
>>> thought that you guys were saved in spite of the teachings
of the
>>> mormon church I would not be spending so much time
exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon church to you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom line is that God makes that ultimate
decision, not I.
>>>
>>> Perry
>>>
>>
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