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He died potentially for the whole world DaveH; but he
becomes savior only to those who both receive and obey
Him
That is, the wise ones who build their houses upon the
rock. (see Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9). jt
DAVEH: You are suggesting Jesus was a different person to
those who did not accept his message, compared to those who did accept the
gospel? Hmmmm....that seems a bit odd to me, Judy. Was Jesus
Savior to all the world? Did he only come for the believers?
IMHO, Jesus died for all people. Whether he is accepted by them or
not....he is the same Lord, yesterday, today and forever.
Judy Taylor
wrote:
No. They weren't all focused on the same
Jesus DaveH. Some heard Him and others did not. It wasn't his
physical presence that was so important, it was His teaching. The
selection process goes like this. The ones who heard His Word were of
God and the others were of their father the
devil. (see John 8:47).
DAVEH: Easy, Kevin. Jesus walked the Holy Land and
was seen much differently by many people. Some recognized him as
their Saviour and King, while others viewed him as a major threat.
Even though they each had their differences of opinion as to where he came
from, what he was doing during his ministry, and what his relationship to
deity.....wouldn't you agree they were all focused on the same
Jesus. When Jesus hung on the cross, there was not a question of
which Jesus hung on the cross. The only question was who's view more
accurately represented the real Jesus.
Do
you suppose that after the tomb was sealed that all of Jesus' followers
continued to believe he was the Messiah, that he was God who could not be
defeated by his enemies? Or....do you think there may have been more than
a few who might have been thinking their view of Jesus might have been
wrong? If you think there was no doubt.....go back and read the
accounts of those who first saw Jesus after he arose.
The point being.....no matter what the
perspective of those who saw Jesus hanging on that cross.....he was still
the same person.....Jesus.
And FTR, I
will repeat this again so there is no mistake on your part or any other
TTer. The Jesus I believe in is the same Jesus who hung on the
cross by his enemies, and 3 days later arose in a resurrected state of
exaltation. That is my Jesus, and I believe he is your
Jesus. That we may have different perspective of some of the
details about his attributes does not mean that we are not talking about
the same Jesus that hung on the cross as explained in the
Bible.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How can your Jesus have different attributes than my Jesus
and still be the same person?
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except
they be agreed? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Logically, the onus is not upon me to define the Jesus I believe in,
but rather it is on the person who suggests I don't believe in
Jesus. FTR....I have not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or
any other TTer believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir
wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in Jesus."
IFF we are going to engage in a conversation that entails reality,
then we have to continue to build upon that which has been said
previously.According to you THE JESUS TO BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST
FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN MORMON TEACHING. Is this
so? The Jesus believed in by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a
false Jesus. Is this not also so? (unwieldy but, you get my
point)What, IYO, are the eternal consequenses for
non-Mormons?
Mr. Moderator:Please grant DaveH the
opportunity of fully answering and, explaining.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in
Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that you've made the
judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He
will!
He Has!
JN 3:18 He that believeth on
him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned
already
DAVEH:
I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more comfortable
letting God make that judgment than you.
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
> David,
>
> Romans
10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord
> Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath
raised him from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For
with the heart man believeth unto
> righteousness; and
with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
>
> But, as I have stated before, the
right jesus and right god must be
> at the center of
one's faith. I am not just harassing you, Dave, I
>
honestly do believe that the mormons worship false
gods.
>
> Perry
>
>> From: Dave
Hansen
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
To: [email protected]
>>
Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005
00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH:
Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT
tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that those
who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've
>> heard
many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate, what else
>> is needed, Perry?
>>
>> Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is
great. Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano y mano,
>>> so to speak
:-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased in
that way, because both you and Blaine admit
>>>
to following the christ and jesus of mormonism, so it is my
opinion
>>> that you are lost since I believe
that they are false gods. If I
>>> thought that
you guys were saved in spite of the teachings of the
>>> mormon church I would not be spending so much
time exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon
church to you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom
line is that God makes that ultimate decision, not
I.
>>>
>>>
Perry
>>>
>>
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