Bill wrote: > Paul states that the "beloved Son" is the creator > of all things. You deny this
I don't perceive Judy to be denying this. She is simply saying that at the time he created, the term "Logos" better applies to him than the term "son." Bill wrote: > ... your contention does not lie with me but the Apostle Paul. > He is the one who contradicts you: "For by the beloved Son > all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, > visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers > or authorities-- all things have been created through the beloved > Son and for the beloved Son." -- Colossians 1.16 Don't you think you are adding to God's Word here? What translation translates Col. 1:16 this way. I cannot find a single translation that matches up with you here. Surely this is the Bill Taylor translation (or should I say interpretation), is it not? Something that would help me communicate with you is to hear you identify a few other terms and their applicability to the person Jesus Christ. 1. Is the term "Jesus" something applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? 2. Is the term "Messiah" or "Christ" applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? 3. Is the term "son of David" applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? 4. Is the term "Savior" applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? 5. Is the term "firstborn" in Col. 1:18 applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? Is it applicable prior to his being resurrected from the dead? 6. Is the term "first begotten" in Rev. 1:5 applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? Is it applicable prior to his being resurrected from the dead? 7. Is the term "everlasting Father" applicable to this person prior to his being born of Mary? Concerning this last item, when did Jesus become the everlasting Father? In your opinion, was he the everlasting Father before the creation event of Genesis? Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
