I do believe in at least a 3 dimensional 'world'. (currently, 11 demsions are being discussed) I do believe in an 'interactive' (excuse the expression) God. I do believe that prayer is not insignificant.I do believe that we need to be thinking 'triadically' (God, World, Man). I do believe that 'spirit beings' exist though without any inherent 'being' just as we are not created 'eternal' (no eternal soul). I do believe in Divine and Contingent orders. (contingent:freely created by God out of nothing, and having an existence, freedom, and rational order of its own while still dependent on him).
Ahhhhhhhh 'freedom'! Now, there's the issue at hand. God alone is 'free'. We humans are 'free' only in the sense that we can live in accord with our nature which is fallen. When we are participants in that Divine Freedom we are then freed up so as not live in accord with our nature, which is fallen. I perceive that David and Perry, drawing on biblical examples of both the micro and macro (Pharaoh, King of Persia) are extending them into current global affairs.(GWB 'deciding' to drive drunk or 'deciding' not to show up for duty (micro) &GWB & GWB 'deciding' to invade Iraq (macro) I see you both as saying that God was equally involved on both levels. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 04, 2005 14:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ > Lance, > > Habakkuk Chapter 1 is instrumental in helping us understand how God can > use one nation to judge another, as he used the Chaldeans to judge Judah. > The Chaldeans had no idea that God was using them...they just did what came > naturally to them. There were probably a few "Lances" in some neighboring > country that complained about the Chaldeans, and that they had no reason to > attack Judah. > > After reading Habakkuk 1, don't you think it is possible that God was > using America in the same way to judge Chaldea! And if George Bush had, in > your opinion, no reason to go into Iraq, perhaps God did not need for him to > have a reason to make it happen. > > Perry > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ > >Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:51:34 -0400 > > > >Is God 'in control' on TT? David: you never answered my question re: policy > >making for USA. Who makes it? GWB & advisors? God? Wherein lies the > >responsibility for wrong policy making when God has made it? > > > >THERE WAS NO SOUND, JUSTIFIABLE, VIABLE REASON TO INVADE IRAQ! Now, there > >might have been with Saudi Arabia. There might be with North Korea. Guess > >who won't be invading a non-pushover nation? > > > >David: A compliment to you. You are almost never difficult to understand. > >You write well. You think well. However, your theological and political > >foundations, though clear, are extremely right wing and fundamentalist. > >Sorry, I believe that you are further right than God. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: July 04, 2005 10:29 > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ > > > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > > You and, David appear to believe that God > > > > 'ordained' the invasion of Iraq. That is in no > > > > way less idolatrous than the former. > > > > > > What is idolatrous about the concept that God ordains the nations that > >rise > > > and fall? You are starting not to make any sense again. > > > > > > What do you think, that somehow God lost control and the USA jumped out > >from > > > under his influence and did their own thing in Iraq? Is the USA somehow > >now > > > the Great Satan that is disrupting God's plans? Did we do something > >that > > > surprised God and took him off guard? Did God really want Saddam to > > > continue to be in power? Did God want evil to flourish and people to > >suffer > > > in Iraq and the surrounding region? Did God want Iraq to invade more > > > countries besides Iran and Kuwait and cause more destruction and > >suffering > > > to the people in those regions? Did God want more Kurds to be > >slaughtered? > > > > > > Sorry for so many questions, but as you can see, I do not understand > >your > > > image of a God who is not in control. If God removed Iraq (Babylon) > >once > > > before when they oppressed the Israelites, why do you think he would not > >do > > > the same thing again in these last days? Are you forgetting Iraq's > >attack > > > on Israel itself during the Gulf war? > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > David Miller. > > > > > > ---------- > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." 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