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Why not? If you have the light and I am in
darkness then shine your light on my darkness? Just
criticizing
from the corner is not kind, nor is it
loving. I'd also like to know who the "all" consists of.
Is it the TFT/
Polyani, Newbigin crowd? jt
But Judy, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE IN A
LEGIBLE WAY HOW AND WHEN YOU EMPLOY
SCRIPTURE IN AN ABERRANT WAY! Now, they could, of
course, all be wrong all the time (this is what you believe, I think).
Lance I would prefer that you demonstrate in a
legible way how and when I employ scripture in an aberrant
fashion and skip the the patronizing
observations. You have never once been willing to prove what you
say
by God's Word but you constantly make these
unproven allegations. jt
Let me say once again, even at the risk of
upsetting friends of mine for so saying, Judy. I BELIEVE THAT YOU TRUST
HIM AND, THAT YOU EXPERIENCE THIS REST AND PEACE!
However, the 'mangling' that goes on when you
employ Scripture in an aberrant fashion continues to astound.
You should be ashamed of such unbelief Lance;
I've never said God "inspires" my reading. What I have said
is
that the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Promise
gives me understanding as Jesus (our one mediator) said he
would.
What's more I don't have to explain away or cut
out any scriptures, (not one) or become entangled in Greek
language or verbs either. I can vouch that James does not disagree
with Paul. The Holy Spirit inspired these
prophetic words and He is not in disagreement with Himself. You will always be trying
to explain away conflict
so long as you are looking to someone other than the Chief Shepherd by way of Spirit of
God to give you
understanding. There is such rest and peace
when we are trusting in Him.
jt
No, Judy. YOUR problem is this 'God
inspires MY reading of Scripture thing'. However, you are in good
company as Kevin, Linda and, David have the same 'problem'.
As an aside: it just might be that
James does disagree with Paul.
What for JD? Paul does not contradict
James and James is not contradicting Paul. The contradiction
is in your
wide sweeping comprehension of this
"incarnational" thing which is a doctrine of men rather than the
Word
of God. Just because the CofC misused
God's Word does not mean we should throw out the parts they
used
to wound. Separate from them but hold
fast to God's truth.
I'm still waiting !! Jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If all one is holding to is dead doctrine
from some theologian - did they have salvation to begin
with? One cannot
lose what they never had to begin
with. Jesus' Words are life giving - they will quicken your
mortal body. jt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really do not have the foggiest as to what James is
talking about in his letter, do you? Prove me
wrong !! Tell me, what are the works of
justification in the book of James? At what
point are we saved -- at the point of faith or at the point of
works? If we stop
"working" do we suddenly lose our
salvation? What is the definition of
"works" in James? Why does James
NOT contradict Paul's statement in Romans 4 that we are
saved by faith apart from works of law?"
I'm waiting !!!! JD From: Judy Taylor < jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
James wrote it (James 2:14-20) -
I'm agreeing with the Word of God
and yes I don't see much grace in
dead faith - do you Kevin? judyt
Faith w/o works is Dead....
Are you saying it is a DEAD
FAITH?
Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's JD's way of saying that you are a works/salvationist rather than
what he calls grace
But no worries Christine -
you have lots of good company :) We all know that faith or
what some call grace without
works (corresponding actions) is DEAD. judyt
JD wrote:
Christine, you are an excellent proponent of will
worship.
Thanks! What does that mean?
Blessings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christine, you are an excellent proponent of will
worship.
Salute, Jd -----Original
Message----- From: Christine Miller < verilysaid@yahoo.com> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:46:35 -0700
(PDT) Subject: [TruthTalk] Sermon outline
I thank you all for your interest in my teaching. I
gave this message Wednesday night to the youth group
at my church, which is a group of 30 middle and high
school kids. So, this might be sophmoric for you all,
but here it is. :-)
"Separating your Spirituality from Ordinary Life."
To the seven Churches on Judgement Day:
Rev. 2:2- "I know thy works"
2:9- "I know thy works"
2:13- "I know thy works"
2:19- "I know thy works"
Etc. A pattern is developing here, namely, that on
Judgement day, Jesus will give attention to our works.
Another account of Judgement Day, in the Gospel:
Mat. 7:21-23-
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,
Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he
that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
My first reaction to this passage, is to wonder at
Jesus' choice of words here. "Ye that work iniquity?!"
Jesus could have just left it at "I never knew you"
and sent them to Hell. They worked miracles and cast
out devils. I would not consider that working
iniquity. There is something here, then, that I am not
seeing. I am not seeing the whole picture as Jesus is
attempting to show it.
Mat. 25:31-46
This is where Jesus separates the sheep from the
goats, and welcomes the sheep into everlasting life.
The righteous respond by saying they did not remember
ever feeding Him or clothing Him.
So now, we have a situation where the righteous are
people who visit the sick or feed the hungry? These
are not super spiritual things.
One more passage:
Luk 3:7 Then said he (John the Baptist) to the
multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O
generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from
the wrath to come?
After rebuking them, they were pricked in their
hearts, and said, "What shall we do then?"
His response was a list of practical, ordinary things.
He did not tell them to go and offer a sacrifice, or
to pray an hour a day, he told them to be generous
with their clothes and food, to be content with their
wages, to not falsely accuse anyone. He is telling
them that this baptism should wash their entire life,
their business life, their personal life, it should
affect how they act even when they're not being
religious-minded.
And considering the two greatest commandments, on
which Jesus said hang all the law and the prophets, we
see that loving God with our heart, soul, and might
means loving our pesky siblings or refusing to help
someone cheat on a quiz.
When Jesus said he saw our works in Revelations 2 and
3, he was saying, "I saw how your treated your
sister," and "I saw you would not be content or
thankful for anything you had." Those people who said
they cast out devils and worked miracles in His name
clearly did not understand what it meant to love God
and how to apply that love to their lives. Responding
to an alter call means nothing if it doesn't change
how you treat your co-workers at that part-time job.
We are to be a people set apart:
2 Cor. 6:14-17
-But we can't stick out like a sore thumb in a Church.
He must mean, then, that we must act differently from
the rest of the world. We must learn to handle road
rage differently from the way unbelievers handle road
rage.
Jesus is in the business of turning ordinary, wordly
things into spiritual things. "Peter, does that mean
you don't fish anymore?" Well, no, I do fish. But it's
different now. I'm a fisher of men now.
Jesus doesn't mean for you to stop leading an
ordinary, real life. He just means for you to glorify
Him in it. This is what it means to be a true
Christian. Choosing to merge your spiritual habits
with your ordinary life is what the sheep did in Mat.
25. The goats chose otherwise.
Well, hope that wasn't too long or young for you. I
spoke on this for an hour, so I said a lot more, but I
don't want to lay it on too thick, as if I were
preaching at you all. :-)
One other thing I included in my message that I would
like your opinion on:
I've notived in John 20, John writes how he outran
Peter to the tomb. I can't find the significance in
this, except to say that John likes the fact that when
he and Peter raced, John won. Also, in John 21, when
Peter is told that he will die a martyr's death, Peter
asks, "Lord, what shall this man do?" as if to say,
"What about teacher's pet over there?" I believe Peter
and John loved each other, but I believe they both
wanted to be Jesus' favorite, that we see into their
personalities in these two passages.
My point on this in the lesson was to say that Jesus'
disciples were also ordinary people. They were
extraordinary men of God, but they are real people, as
real as you or I, who learned to love and serve God in
their daily walk. I used these passages to say that we
see into their personalities a little bit here.
But what does Truth Talk think? My research on this
passage was disapointing- no one else could really
explain the account of the race.
Blessings!
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