1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much ASSURANCE; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doncha just luv it when people communicate with such > CERTAINTY? Damn! Reminds me of...well....ME! (I > refer to Christine & Kevin) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Deegan > To: [email protected] > Sent: July 08, 2005 14:50 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of > James > > > Be ye DOERS and NOT HEARERS only deceiving your > own selves > Same goes for TALKERS only > > > > Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lance, of course James does NOT disagree with > Paul. The difference is, Paul teaches that Abraham's > faith is counted for righteousness, while James > actually tells us what faith is. Works without faith > will lead you to hell (that's Paul) and James says > that true faith will produce works. People were > getting it all out of order. > > Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these > sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be > likened unto a foolish man, which built his house > upon the sand: > > Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods > came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; > and it fell: and great was the fall of it. > > > Blessings > > Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, Judy. YOUR problem is this 'God inspires > MY reading of Scripture thing'. However, you are in > good company as Kevin, Linda and, David have the > same 'problem'. > > As an aside: it just might be that James does > disagree with Paul. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy Taylor > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: July 08, 2005 09:08 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book > of James > > > > What for JD? Paul does not contradict James > and James is not contradicting Paul. The > contradiction is in your > wide sweeping comprehension of this > "incarnational" thing which is a doctrine of men > rather than the Word > of God. Just because the CofC misused God's > Word does not mean we should throw out the parts > they used > to wound. Separate from them but hold fast > to God's truth. > > On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:01:37 -0400 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm still waiting !! Jd > > From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > If all one is holding to is dead doctrine > from some theologian - did they have salvation to > begin with? One cannot > lose what they never had to begin with. > Jesus' Words are life giving - they will quicken > your mortal body. jt > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You really do not have the foggiest as > to what James is talking about in his letter, do > you? Prove me wrong !! Tell me, what are the > works of justification in the book of James? At > what point are we saved -- at the point of faith or > at the point of works? If we stop "working" do we > suddenly lose our salvation? What is the > definition of "works" in James? Why does James > NOT contradict Paul's statement in Romans 4 that we > are saved by faith apart from works of law?" > > I'm waiting !!!! JD > > > From: Judy Taylor > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > James wrote it (James 2:14-20) - I'm > agreeing with the Word of God > and yes I don't see much grace in dead > faith - do you Kevin? judyt > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:56:27 -0700 > (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > Faith w/o works is Dead.... > Are you saying it is a DEAD FAITH? > > Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > It's JD's way of saying that you > are a works/salvationist rather than what he calls > grace > But no worries Christine - you > have lots of good company :) We all know that faith > or > what some call grace without works > (corresponding actions) is DEAD. judyt > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:52:31 -0700 > (PDT) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > JD wrote: > Christine, you are an excellent > proponent of will worship. > > Thanks! What does that mean? > > > Blessings > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Christine, you are an > excellent proponent of will worship. > > Salute, Jd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Miller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:46:35 > -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [TruthTalk] Sermon > outline > > > I thank you all for your interest in my teaching. I > gave this message Wednesday night to the youth group > at my church, which is a group of 30 middle and high > school kids. So, this might be sophmoric for you > all, > but here it is. :-) > > > "Separating your Spirituality from Ordinary Life." > > To the seven Churches on Judgement Day: > Rev. 2:2- "I know thy works" > 2:9- "I know thy works" > 2:13- "I know thy works" > 2:19- "I know thy works" > Etc. A pattern is developing here, namely, that on > Judgement day, Jesus will give attention to our > works. > > Another account of Judgement Day, in the Gospel: > Mat. 7:21-23- > Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, > Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he > that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. > > Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, > Lord, > have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name > have cast out devils? and in thy name done many > wonderful works? > Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never > knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. > > My first reaction to this passage, is to wonder at > Jesus' choice of words here. "Ye that work > iniquity?!" > Jesus could have just left it at "I never knew you" > and sent them to Hell. They worked miracles and cast > out devils. I would not consider that working > iniquity. There is something here, then, that I am > not > seeing. I am not seeing the whole picture as Jesus > is > attempting to show it. > > Mat. 25:31-46 > This is where Jesus separates the sheep from the > goats, and welcomes the sheep into everlasting life. > The righteous respond by saying they did not > remember > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
