Meaningless - Tautology I believe DM stated it as stated ; ) for those of us that are slow of thought
--- Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > David's wording of "using yet another one of your meaningless > tautologies" instead of something less directed, does sound more > emotional > in nature than had he said simply "using a tautology" [the word > "meaningless" is redundant since it is implied by the fact that a > tautology > is being claimed], and I can understand how you would take it that > way. But > I do not believe that David intended this as an attack on you, > otherwise I > feel certain that he would have admitted it and apologized. He has > told me > himself that he believes people can post things that appear > ad-hominem, or > that another takes that way, that are not intended to be so. And, > since he > does not sin, I am sure he would have apologized had he really meant > it that > way. > > David, I hope this does not sound like a patronization of your > statement > that you do not sin, but I believe that if you at all meant it in the > sense > John is stating that the spirit would have convicted you and you > would have > apologized. Am I right on this? > > John, if you feel that his statement is a fantasy, the proper > approach is > to refute his assertion. > > Perry > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >There are put downs, Perry, and there are statements of compliment. > The > >fantasy that "John is using yet another meaningless tautology" is a > phrase > >that is of the insult variety. In fact, David's whole tone is > such. > >Webster says what he says. And that is the sense in which I use > the > >wording. David believes that you can separate the words of an > opponent > >from the character of the opponent without being guilty of ad hom. > I do > >not. > > > >JD > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:15:30 -0700 > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ad-hominem discussion > > > > > >John, > > > > I do not think we can separate the ad hominem from logic, John. > All > >discussion contains some form of logic, some form of argumentation, > >especially when our goal is to present and support a point of view. > In it's > >simplist form the ad hominem argument is merely an appeal to emotion > rather > >than logic. > > > > Actually, David's statement is not an ad hominem comment directed > at > >you. >From www.dictionary.com: > > > >tau·tol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tô-tl-j) > >n. pl. tau·tol·o·gies > > > >1. a. Needless repetition of the same sense in different words; > redundancy. > > b. An instance of such repetition. > > > >2. Logic. An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler > statements in a > >fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler statements > are > >factually true or false; for example, the statement "Either it will > rain > >tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow". > > > > The point, John, is that a tautology is always true, cannot ever > be > >false, "states the obvious", adding nothing to an argument. In that > sense > >it is "meaningless". In mathemetics, a simple example of a tautology > is > >"1=1". What does that add to your understanding of mathematics? > Nothing. In > >that sense it is a "meaningless tautology". > > > >Perry > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >I do not use ad hom in the sense of an issue of logic. I use it in > the > > >same sense as the dictionary definition I included earlier -- > that's my > > >story and I am sticking with it. > > >JD > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
