Jt speaks of 'knowing someone after the spirit'
(small 's' representing the human spirit I assume?
PS this tripartate body, soul, spirit thingy is
an errant understanding)
jt: Yes Lance, when your body goes down to
the dust it is the spirit that returns to God who gave it.
PS Your errant understanding is in the Bible
and it is not written in code, it is spelled out for those who have eyes to
see/ears to hear.
Jt further suggests that she is speaking of
something that I 'don't appear to be able to relate to'.
('appear' being the operative word here so,
she's not sure that I don't)
jt: I was attempting to be kind Lance - I am
sure that you dont.
IFF YOU HAD THIS ABILITY TO KNOW AFTER THE
SPIRIT (I'm suggesting that you don't)
then, you would have perceived Debbie, Caroline
& Jonathan differently.
jt: Why? What didn't I perceive about
them that I should have?
(David did so - perhaps HE does have it) Most
assuredly Bill, John, Gary and Izzie have it.
jt: Since you are unable to relate to it or
to discern the spiritual personally - how would you know who has it
Lance?
So then, it'd appear that just leaves you and
I? Wouldn't that be just aweful? (for you I mean, to be linked with me while
being separated from the others?)
jt: Whatever!! I could comfort myself
with the idea that you won't be around long couldn't I :)
Knowing someone after the spirit is not the same
as having tea and coffee for 20yrs with them Lance.
Paul said "I determined to know nothing amongst
you but Jesus Christ and Him crucified" - what die he mean?
When he judged the man in sin he said he was
absent physically but with them in spirit. You are residing at
a
different place. I am speaking of something
you don't appear to be able to relate to. judyt
How interesting that those who did not
'know' this man would lay claim to 'knowing' this man beter than the man
who did 'now this man.
Like someone said 'you cannot picture in a
picture how a picture pictures what it pictures.'
A born again
person who is right with God knows they are born again and right with
God. If they don't know this
it is a huge red
flag - and this man was crying out for
help.....
No, this man was
a strong, solid, dedicated believer. His problem was, he had been
deceived by people like you. Again, please just leave me and my words,
thoughts, posts out of your considerations. I have ask you nicely now
three times.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005
10:14 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] John
16:13,14
How terribly
sad - did somebody counsel and pray with this man who
was obviously under conviction of the
Spirit?
You are
judging him by "outward appearances" Bill. You can't know
what goes on in the hearts of ppl - folk can
make
a great
showing after the flesh or some may just live in quiet
desperation. I would have taken this dear man seriously
enough to go
over the scriptures and pray with him so he can be sure of
his eternal destiny rather than give him some
false
assurance.
A born again
person who is right with God knows they are born again and right
with God. If they don't know this
it is a huge
red flag - and this man was crying out for
help.....
Bill writes:
Yes, in Christ
in his resurrection, BUT not everyone is indwelt by the Holy
Spirit, that comes by way of belief or faith in Jesus Christ. What
we call our "conversion experience" does happen in this lifetime,
and sometimes this can be a profound and life-altering
experience; other times it is not so profound for people who have
grown up in the church and spent their lifetimes worshiping the
Lord. I think we
are prone to base too much of our "faith" in religious experience
and not trained well enough at basing it in the object of that
faith: Jesus Christ.
I watched a
saintly ninety year old elder of our church break down and weep
because he did not know for sure if he had been "born again."
He had grown up in the church and could not remember a time
that he did not believed in Jesus Christ, yet he had never had one
of those earth-shaking conversion experiences that others had had.
We, the church, had placed so much emphasis on that "born again
experience" that we had misled godly people into doubting their
salvation. The weight of the world was upon this man's shoulders,
and he could not withstand the weight of it. He was as godly as
anyone you would ever meet, had served the Lord faithfully his whole
life, yet believe in "spiritual death" and the necessity to be "born
again" and thus could not place his finger on a point in his life
when he stopped being spiritually dead and started being a born
again believer. We did that to him -- not
the Lord.
