No blessing????? Judy, such a comment demonstrates just how confused you really are. On many occasions, I have stated that if I were to speak of the many blessings from God, I would make you jealous. I will leave it at that.
why would you think we are trying to manipulate God? jt
I explained my understanding of manipulation in the posted comments you admitted. Why you did not read them is beyond me.
jt: Honest? Most of the time noone knows what he is saying jt
I assume G's honesty just as surely as I assume yours or DM. Works salvationism IS a doctrine of manipulation and is a false teaching. Now, that is what I believe. I assume G feels the same. You will disagree, of course. We cannot help but to speak and write out of our theological construct. Your construct includes (apparently) the idea that you can judge a fellow Christian to be a disciple of Satan and that you should tell them this -- even frequently. Ditto for kevin and shields. DM actually does not do this (in my memory) although he might defend others for so writing. The point, here, is that G will speak and write from his passion. He will see associations between your words and what you are that may not be pleasant to you. So what. All on the 'right" do this very thing many times a week. What he nor Bill, nor Lance (when he was with us) nor Slade nor Debbie nor Caroline Wong, or myself have ever placed any of you in the very camp of Satan -- being one with him, motivated by him and hatred for Believers. I prefer G's "harshness" to yours, in this case and accept his response as an honest response.
obedience is not works it is normal christian living jt
"not justified by works of law" can only be understood as "not saved by obedience to law."
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:27:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
JD David is right, I have been trying to get you to see what you are doing and it is for your/Gary's sake as much
as ours because not only does continual accusation wear us out - You/Gary will never reap blessing so long as
you are allowing the adversary to use you this way.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:54:46 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One additional comment. Your post below justifies Judy's very bad behavior, ignoring the possibility that
Gary was hoping that Judy (and then Linda) would see their actions as, in reality, an attempt to manipulate God.
jt: We are not entirely stupid JD; why would you think we are trying to manipulate God?
"If I do this and that, then I can expect God to do that and this." Such can be considered manipulation --
jt: Not when one has learned to know His ways and walk in them JD. This is where the blessings of obedience
happen. God always longed for Israel to want to know His ways but they preferred His acts - only Moses knew
them and had the ppl wearing him out night and day wanting him to make spiritual judgments between them.
especially when such thinking is not founded in scripture (i.e.works salvation) Now, whether Gary's theological
opinion is correct, and I think it is, his willingness to be honest in his appraisal without accusing either Judy or
Linda of being disciples of Satan can be seen as a very commendable action.
jt: Honest? Most of the time noone knows what he is saying but lately he has been openly accusing so I don't
know how you would reach such a consensus JD. Once more - obedience is not works it is normal christian
living. judyt
-----Original Message-----
From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:03:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
JD wrote:> Judy writes this YOU ARE ONE WITH THE ACCUSER> That sort of tripe is ad hom at its core.Yes, John, it is, but you seem to overlook that she was responding to a personal insult. If a man slugs another man, and the man he slugs then slugs back, is it really fair to focus all our criticism on the man who slugged back in response to the first? I'm not trying to justify her, but help you see that others are provoking her and it would be best if we got to the root of the problem. Ideally, it would be best if we all turned the other cheek, but if that does not happen, we try and stop the root of the problem and then the rest is taken care of as a result.Furthermore, there is actually a big difference in what Judy is saying and that of the initial accuser. It seems to me that Judy is hoping to help the one who is doing the initial accusing to see that he is cooperating with spiritual forces that perhaps he does not mean to be. In other words, she is trying to help him see why he has become an accuser himself and hoping that realization will cause him to correct his misbehavior.Peace be with you.
David Miller.
