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Okay, then, tell
me. If a true Believer “has” a demon, where does he “have” it?
And what is the
difference between “oppression” and “possession”? In your opinion.
izzy
jt: A demon is a spirit and there are two spiritual laws
operating in the earth today.
We have all been trained in
the law of sin and death; then there is the law of the spirit of life in
Christ.
My belief is that spirit
communicates with spirit and our brain cells translate what we're hearing
from
the spirit. Believing a
lie is being influenced by doctrines of demons. I'd turn the question
around.
It's not whether or not the
believer has a demon - it's whether the demonic has the believer.
They
work under the cover of
darkness. Oppression is being hindered and hamstrung. Possession
is
when the demonic has full
control of the person's will. Should not happen to a genuine
believer.
You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about
these things myself
from time to time. Can a true Believer have a
demon? Be "oppressed"? Be
possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to
hear other opinions. izzy
jt: Yes, Yes, and No. We need to
understand that there are two kingdom's
involved here and the Christian is in
the process of transferring from one to
the other. We are all oppressed
from time to time and God allows the enemy
to test us. Years ago I read a
book called "Blumhardt's battle" about a
German
pastor with a severely demonized
parishoner. He spent many hours praying
with her and declaring the victory of
Christ until she was entirely free. jt
Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether
physical or mental or
a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook
bi-polar. Do you think
that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a
true believer?
Just curious what you think,
Bill
> Really interesting analogies, Judy and David.
I'll think about that a
lot.
> By the way, the enemies in the land
comment leads me to ask if anyone
knows
> what is the underlying
problem with people who are commonly labeled
> "Bi-polar"--up one day and
low the next, and seem to me to always be
looking
> for someone to be
angry with. They are commonly treated with lithium.
I've
> been
around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a
>
Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy
>
>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
>
David Miller wrote:
> >>
The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> >>
believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> >>
covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Why do
you see this as dangerous David?
>
> Because people confuse the
voice of the Spirit with their own inner
> convictions. Furthermore,
they misinterpret the work of the Holy Spirit,
> and therefore ascribe
works to him which are not his. This leads to
error.
>
>
Judy wrote:
> > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> >
does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > just as salvation
itself is a process of past,
> > present, future.
>
> It
depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you
talking
> about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a
process. Are you
> talking about Christ as an infant lying in a
manger? No, that is not a
> process. That is an event called
being born again.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > An object lesson is
given us in scripture ... when
> > after Israel
celebrated the passover and God led
> > them supernaturally to the
promised land. They
> > were instructed to go in and take the
land which
> > He would give to them little by little. He did
>
> not clear the land all at one time because they would
> > not be
strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30)
>
> Good object lesson,
but look at it closely. They were no longer slaves in
>
Egypt at this point. Once they
crossed that Red Sea and the waters
killed
> the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were saved.
They had
> deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which
represents our deliverance from
the
>
> bondage of sin to this
world system. What they lacked was possessing the
> promised land,
the kingdom of
God. This is where
faith comes in, and this
> is where the process of growth is
important.
>
> We are immediately delivered, but love still is
perfected. I may not sin,
> but that does not mean that I cannot
love better. Yesterday I may have
> helped someone who came looking
to me for help, but today I might seek out
> those who need help.
Yesterday, I might have known how to lead someone to
a
>
>
hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be
healed
instantly
> and thereby better help him in his situation.
Jesus at one time did no
> miracles, but his obedience and love were
perfected at that time when he
did
>
> minister in miracles and
healed the sick, and ultimately gave his life a
> ransom for all, the
ultimate _expression_ of love which he did when he was
> more than 33 years
old, not when he was 5 years old.
>
> Judy wrote:
> >
Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > we also have enemies
on the land (our heart) ...
>
> You have the wrong analogy here,
Judy. The enemies of our own heart were
> when we were in
Egypt, or the unbelief when God tells
us to possess his
> kingdom and we say such is impossible. The
enemies in the land, the
> Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the
Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the
> Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and
the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and
the
> Girgashites, and the
Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects of
our
>
> own
heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and rulers of
>
darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire people
to
act
>
> contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill
us.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Those of us who are honest will
admit that we
> > were walking in most of Galatians 5:19,21 if not
all.
>
> "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and
resurrect it to present
> tense?
>
> Judy wrote:
> >
That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies
> > is evident
by what comes out of our mouths (at times).
>
> Nothing defiling
comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had, yes, but not
>
anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear otherwise to some
on
> this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of
my
> sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is
not. Men of
> wickedness lack discernment of such
things.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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