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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:29:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
JD wrote: > Exodus 7:11 And Pharaoh called for the wise > men and the sorcerers and they also, the magicians > of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts.. > If it didn't come from God, it was a trick, magic, > an illusion of a corcerer. > We have trickery verses the real. I don't see how you got "trickery" out of this passage. It says that they "did the same."
A miracle worker verse a magician, DM. That is what you have here. "Same" obviously means "the same in appearance."
We KNOW that the source of the sign was totally different, do we not? I do. Satan is no match
for God and when we have a dual between God and the dark side, God always wins and wins big. We,
therefore, conclude that the one is a true sign or miracle and the other is only an illusion. JD wrote: > As far a Revelation -- the apocalyptic is > not about the apocalyptic. Huh? What is that suppose to mean? Symbolism present and truth revealed .. two very different things. JD wrote: > Specifically, the word used in this text is sameion > (as opposed to dunamis ) and is translated "signs" > in the NASV. The fact remains that Stan has no > real power. His power was destroyed at the cross. First of all, I'm not denying that Satan is a deceiver and uses trickery. The question is whether that is all he is. Does he actually have any power? You think the lack of the word "dunamis" in this passage means that he does not. Do you then accept that if another passage ascribes dunamis to him, that he does have power?
I make no such argument. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 (9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power [dunamis] and signs and lying wonders,
I think the better reading is this: ...power and signs and wonders of falsehood.And this word
"falsehood" is a Greek word with the meaning "not what it appears to be." Exegetically, then, this passage is saying what I am saying. In fact, it is this passage that presented this thought to
me.
See Rev. 13:2 also about the dunamis of the dragon.See the above. The dunamis of the dragon is not what it appears to be. JD wrote: > If, for example, Robert Tilton is found to be a > false prophet, we would expect to see a great > deal of trickery that many unsuspecting souls > would call a "miracles." Such would not be a prophet of any kind. A fraud is not the same thing as a false prophet. Balaam is an example of a false prophet who was not a fraud.
He is a false prophet if he claims to be prophet and is not. That is how I use the word. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
