Re: [TruthTalk] Torrance and the Message

[Terry Clifton]

My point is that the preacher is a sinner just like the rest of us.  He is not BSWIC.  He has no authority to demand anything.  If evangelists demand that sinners conform to their standards, they are operating as gods instead of as a servant of God.  If this is not what you said, (that evangelists/preachers demand and expect) you need to word it differently than you did. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is exactly what the preacher is doing, I suppose.   I am a little surprised by your response, here.  I was offering the sermon outline of 95% of all evangelists.   The preacher is no more a sinner than  you or I.   I really do not understand your point.    Jd    -----Original Message----- From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:46:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torrance and the Message [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   The book is better than the CD, I think.   Mediation of Christ        In his opening words,  Torrance speaks of unconditional grace, hoping to put the response of man  (repentance)  into perspective.  Unless I misunderstand this author, and more importantly, the biblical message, itself,  even our response is suspect.  Can we do anything "perfectly" seems to be an oft discussed issue here on TT.   More to the point, can a man who is viewed by many as unregenerated do anything perfectly?   The preacher demands of this sinner that he believe, that he confess, that he repent, and that he receive Christ into his life................and does this preacher expect anything less than perfect obedience on these issues?   ================================================================================ The preacher is a sinner.  He has no right to demand or expect anything.  The best that the preacher can do is proclaim the love, and the demands, of a Holy God.