God's WORD is infallible, Lance. At least WE see that, and that is why we run to it for our guidance, unlike those who believe that is pointless. izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit Until you demonstrate INFALLIBILITY David Miller, I speak from where you speak from. The fact that you cannot 'see' and, so regularly mishandle the 'Words of life' is not my problem. That problem David Miller is yours. It is not I alone on TT David, who have concluded the above as you well know. Some, much better equipped than I, have engaged you patiently and over time, quite unsuccessfully. You know this to be so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: October 06, 2005 09:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > JD wrote: >> I know that "........ this is not what [you] meant......" >> But what you intend and what is reality, in this case, >> are two very different things. It is always "what you >> believe the bible says" and never "this is what the Bible >> says." You've got to try to remember that. > > Wrong, JD. This is deception. If I adopted this perspective, then it > would > become all about ME and what I THINK. My perspective right now is that my > interpretation matters little. I do the best I can to understand what the > Bible says, and to hear God's voice in my spirit. When I express that, > yes, > you are hearing my interpretation. But my interpretation means nothing. > My > interpretation might be modified somewhat by something you say, or by > something Lance says, or by something Izzy says, etc. etc. When I ask > about > what the Bible says, I mean exactly that. What is the meaning meant by > the > author, the Holy Spirit. I am soliciting the interpretation of others, > expressing what I see in the passage, and asking others to tell me how > they > interpret such passages by the Holy Spirit. We all ought to have this > perspective of, "what does God's Word say," NOT, "what does our > interpretation of God's Word say." All of our interpretations should be > subject to correction. This is true humility. > > JD wrote: >> "Interpretation" is what you do when you try to discover >> the specific meaning of a ANY AND ALL passages of >> scripture. God most definitely works in this process but >> this interpretive discovery or enlightenment can never be >> understood in terms of divine revelation as when God gave >> the meaning of dreams to Daniel. > > Why not? The Bible gives us examples of this. Such illustrates that God > works this way. Who are you to say that God no longer works this way? > What > is your authority for making such an assertion? > > JD wrote: >> Providential enlightenment is a very personal circumstance >> and it is directly tied to where you are in terms of spiritual >> maturity. > > Not always. Samuel was not very mature when he first heard the voice of > the > Lord. > > JD wrote: >> What specifically did you question in "our" presentation? >> Give me a starting point and we will proceed. > > I quoted it for you in my post. The reason I cut and paste what somebody > says is to draw attention specifically to what I am questioning. Here it > is > again: > > Lance wrote: >> As 'believers, we 'participate' (in our relationship with Him >> and with each other) inadequately and incompletely EVERY >> DAY. This is the reality of the Christian life. Any voice, human >> or otherwise, who would suggest that this is not the case speaks >> against the truth of the gospel. > > Such a statement denies the power of the blood of the cross. This is not > good news. This is not the gospel. I much prefer the words of Jesus: > > John 8:32-36 > (32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. > (33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to > any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? > (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever > committeth sin is the servant of sin. > (35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son > abideth > ever. > (36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. > > I understand Jesus to be saying that the Son makes us free from being a > servant of sin. Furthermore, he does this through causing us to know and > understand TRUTH. Lance says, "if you think that, you are deceived, > wrong, > etc." What is Lance's authority for disagreeing? He is his own > authority, > because he does not appeal to Scripture to instruct us in the way of > righteousness. If Lance does not speak from revelation or from Scripture, > then he speaks from himself. > > Now your comments seek to make me confess that I speak from myself too. > That is why you want to focus upon my INTERPRETATION of the Bible rather > than THE BIBLE. The truth of this matter is that I do not speak from > myself. I speak from God's Word, so your philosophy that everybody speaks > only from their own interpretation and that everybody will inadequately > apprehend Christ will gain no ground with me. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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