Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:   I seldom read Kevin's posts anymore, so IF he quoted LDS leaders as saying....... sex between God and Mary was physical .........I did not see it.  What I did see were comments by leaders that said to the effect that the conception of Mary was a natural process.  To me, and other LDS folks I know, that means that the traditional conception of Mary by some magical snapping of the fingers by the HG (or some such mystical way of conceiving) is incorrect.   Furthermore, the leaders making comments regarding this that I've seen were often times surmising their own beliefs (which are highly respected by other Mormons, but not necessarily considered doctrinal by official standards), rather than quoting LDS doctrine which is found in the Standard Works.      So Perry....dig out the quote that Kevin made saying........ sex between God and Mary was physical ..........and then you will have a point that bears merit.  IF you cannot do that, then you or anybody else saying that is what I believe is simply lying.     BTW........As I have previously explained several times on TT, not only do I not believe that (sex between God and Mary was physical), but official LDS theology teaches that Mary was a virgin, which is hardly possible IF the sex between God and Mary was physical.  So, for anti-Mormons to continue to perpetuate that lie stretches the limits of incredibility.  Charles Perry Locke wrote: Comon, Dave. Kevin has posted reference upon reference of your own prophets and leaders stating that the sex between God and Mary was physical. When presented to you you say something evasive like, "it's a mormon thang...you would not understand." Wake up and smell the postum. Who is in denial? Who refuses to understand what their own leaders have said? From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:25 -0700 DAVEH:   I have a slightly different perspective on this, Dean.  I view the situation in TT as having a few members believing they have all the truth, and the whole truth, and they endeavor to dispense it as they feel it is needed....whether others feel they need it or not.  The problem is that sometimes what they purport is not the truth.  That is evidenced by some of the disagreements of TTers, in which it is highly unlikely that two holding diametrically opposed beliefs can both be right.    Now I've seen some mention names of those who are trustworthy in regard to the truth.  Dean, your name is one that was recently mentioned as being a pretty trustworthy guy.  However, I sometimes see things in your posts that are not true, yet other TTers assume they are true....simply because you and others have repeated the same lies over and over.  So.....I don't have that same comfortable feeling in placing my trust in what you say as others have.    An example of this is your below comment....... *Their Jesus is only God of this world because he Believed upon a God whom had sex with Mary.* ..........which is not true.  Not only do I not believe that, I have so stated such on numerous occasions.  And of all the LDS folks I know, none believe such.  Yet several TTers continue to make that accusation.  So I am amazed that you/they do not quite understand why I don't take their other comments seriously.  I'm sure you sometimes preach truth, Dean....but mixing obvious lies with it does you no favors as I see it.    For you to warn TTers from getting confused by anything I say.....seems to me that the blind are leading the blind, so to speak.  If you really want to exercise *Damage control* Dean, perhaps you should first consider correcting your own errors, lest you deceive them with outright lies.  Otherwise, the *Damage  *will be to your own credibility. Dean Moore wrote:     ----- Original Message -----     *From:* Terry Clifton <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>     *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>     *Sent:* 10/16/2005 10:00:04 PM     *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter     I know that some of what Dave believes has no basis in the Holy     Bible.  That can very likely be said to some extent about each of     us.  Traditions die hard.  No one seems willing to admit that     grandpa was an idiot for believing some of the things he did.     Instead, we follow in grandpa's footsteps until the warning light     comes on and we check it out in the Word and learn better what to     believe.  Since Dave is all wet and we are only a little damp, the     temptation is to write him off.  The problem is, none of us know     how far God's mercy extends.  If He looks at Dave's heart, or your     heart, or my heart, and sees selfless love for Him, does that make     up for buying into false teachings?  If so, how far off base can     you be and still be acceptable to God?  I do not know, so I also     must accept Dave as a believer since that is his claim; still, I     can't help but think that believing that Jesus and Satan were     brothers is pushi ng it, really testing the mercy of God.     *cd: see DaveH this is why I come here-to correct this type of     belief. Damage control.*     * Terry if I have said anything to help you come to this     conclusion I apologized for not explaining myself better. Yes one     can be saved by simply believing upon Christ as the way of     forgiveness but it must be the Christ of the Bible-A Jesus who has     been with God from the beginning-a Jesus whom is part of the     trinity Mormon do not hold this view they have three separate     Gods.Their Jesus is only God of this world because he Believed     upon a God whom had sex with Mary.*   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.