Perhaps he :slips and slides: because he, himself, does not beleive it either? !
I actually do not read much of what Deegan writes. If it is over the ten words insult limit, I move on. He
has misquoted me so often that I am not concerned with his opinion or "proof" If most of the evidence is from Deegan, I will have missed it.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:56:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
The issue here, John, is that much evidence has been given to Dave in the past in the form of articles from autoritative mormon publications in which his own prophets and church leaders have stated such. Yet he always slips and slides around it, then when it is brought up again claims he never saw the stuff and challenges people to go dig it up to prove it. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH DOCUMENTS FROM HIS OWN RELIGION THAT HIS PROPHETS AND LEADERS HAVE STATED SUCH. How many more times do we have to jump through that hoop. Yet, David has never presented evidence that disproves what his leaders have stated. Now, it seems, the ball is in his court.
Perry
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:37:19 -0400
>
>In rules of debate, one does not have to prove what isn't BEFORE another >proves what is. The burden of proof, here, is on those that claim a thing >to be --- Dean, the ball is in your court.
>
>Jd
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:40:58 -0700
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>
>
>Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some >documentation that refutes his statements
>
>DAVEH: Isn't that a repeat of what you wanted me to do before, >Perry....prove a negative? Impossible. Dean made the claim, and the o nus >is upon him to prove his claim to be true. It is not up to me to prove it >false. However, as I mentioned in another post tonight, official LDS >doctrine teaches that Mary was a virgin at the birth of Jesus. (I can >provide chapter and verse if you wish....just request it.) Is that >adequate proof for you, Perry?
>
> Now let's get back to the lie that Dean continued to perpetrate even >after I corrected him several days ago. Dean stated below..............
>
>the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
> came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
> sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest.
>
>...........which is a lie. Notice his comment......
>
>(their claim not mine)
>
>..........OK, if that is what we claim is official LDS doctrine, then it >should be easy for you or Dean (his claim not mine) to quote the doctrine. >If he or you cannot do that, then will you admit that the above claim is a >lie, Perry?
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some >documentation that refutes his statements. Just blathering on about how he >is being untruthful without any you showing anyevidence does not make your >point at all.
>
>
>
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:20 -0700
>
>DAVEH: Dean.........I don't know what has gotten into you, but it does >seem you are beginning to foam at the mouth! =-O
>
> May I suggest you slow down and think about what you are saying about >my beliefs before you hit the send button. It is hard enough to think you >actually believe (about my beliefs) what you posted below, let alone >thinking that other TTers would be so lacking in cognizance as to believe >what you said below is true. I don't know what you are smoking, >Dean....but you do seem to be blowing it out your ears tonight!
>
> FWIW.......Brother Dean, calm down and relax a little. IMHO you would >be better advised to stick to the truth IF you want folks to take you and >your ministry seriously.
>
>Dean Moore wrote:
>
>
>
> cd: JD I don't think you realize how much opposed the Mormon
> religion and the bible really are or you would change the
> above statements. Example: In the Mormon belief Jesus Christ is
> just another man whom believed upon God and is now God of this
> world -but only th is world. Just as DaveH believes He will be God
> of another world-and one must believe upon him to received
> salvation on that world.This is what Mormons do-they play
> games.They are using a totally different language.The God
> they believe in had sex in heaven-with one of the women that they
> call from the grave whom stay eternally pregnant- which produced
> Mary and the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
> came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
> sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest. They do not believe
> Jesus is the exclusive way to heaven-Joseph is a way of salvation-
> so is coming to the temple once a year. How can you John claim
> (declare) someo ne whom carries this belief as saved?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dav e Hansen
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.langlitz.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>If you wish to receive
>things I find interesting,
>I maintain six email lists...
>JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
>STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:37:19 -0400
>
>In rules of debate, one does not have to prove what isn't BEFORE another >proves what is. The burden of proof, here, is on those that claim a thing >to be --- Dean, the ball is in your court.
>
>Jd
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:40:58 -0700
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>
>
>Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some >documentation that refutes his statements
>
>DAVEH: Isn't that a repeat of what you wanted me to do before, >Perry....prove a negative? Impossible. Dean made the claim, and the o nus >is upon him to prove his claim to be true. It is not up to me to prove it >false. However, as I mentioned in another post tonight, official LDS >doctrine teaches that Mary was a virgin at the birth of Jesus. (I can >provide chapter and verse if you wish....just request it.) Is that >adequate proof for you, Perry?
>
> Now let's get back to the lie that Dean continued to perpetrate even >after I corrected him several days ago. Dean stated below..............
>
>the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
> came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
> sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest.
>
>...........which is a lie. Notice his comment......
>
>(their claim not mine)
>
>..........OK, if that is what we claim is official LDS doctrine, then it >should be easy for you or Dean (his claim not mine) to quote the doctrine. >If he or you cannot do that, then will you admit that the above claim is a >lie, Perry?
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some >documentation that refutes his statements. Just blathering on about how he >is being untruthful without any you showing anyevidence does not make your >point at all.
>
>
>
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:20 -0700
>
>DAVEH: Dean.........I don't know what has gotten into you, but it does >seem you are beginning to foam at the mouth! =-O
>
> May I suggest you slow down and think about what you are saying about >my beliefs before you hit the send button. It is hard enough to think you >actually believe (about my beliefs) what you posted below, let alone >thinking that other TTers would be so lacking in cognizance as to believe >what you said below is true. I don't know what you are smoking, >Dean....but you do seem to be blowing it out your ears tonight!
>
> FWIW.......Brother Dean, calm down and relax a little. IMHO you would >be better advised to stick to the truth IF you want folks to take you and >your ministry seriously.
>
>Dean Moore wrote:
>
>
>
> cd: JD I don't think you realize how much opposed the Mormon
> religion and the bible really are or you would change the
> above statements. Example: In the Mormon belief Jesus Christ is
> just another man whom believed upon God and is now God of this
> world -but only th is world. Just as DaveH believes He will be God
> of another world-and one must believe upon him to received
> salvation on that world.This is what Mormons do-they play
> games.They are using a totally different language.The God
> they believe in had sex in heaven-with one of the women that they
> call from the grave whom stay eternally pregnant- which produced
> Mary and the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
> came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
> sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest. They do not believe
> Jesus is the exclusive way to heaven-Joseph is a way of salvation-
> so is coming to the temple once a year. How can you John claim
> (declare) someo ne whom carries this belief as saved?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dav e Hansen
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.langlitz.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>If you wish to receive
>things I find interesting,
>I maintain six email lists...
>JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
>STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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