From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
First, I would never ever expect you to admit it if a mere "protestant"
said anything that ever shook your faith. Never. You hold too tightly to
your heresy to ever do that. Your responses to Deans posts brought to mind
the demon that responded to jesus (paraphrasing), "What do you have to do
with me, son of God!"
Second, I take exception at your impyling, even figuratievely, that I use
ANY mind altering substances. Are you trying to project your own
experiences onto Dean and myself?
DAVEH: No. I was merely trying to inject a measure of humor (denoted by
the :-D ) into the discussion, as you guys seem to get so serious that you
apparently believe some of the stuff you post that is way off the wall.
Someyimes it is a thin line between humor and abasement.
Third, I do not think that we are as far off base as you state. Otherwise,
why would it twist your demons so? The statement I made about Deans effect
on your faith must have really touched a nerve.
DAVEH: Comments like that are what make me think you guys are off the
wall. I know exactly how I think and feel when I read what you post. IF
you sincerely think that what you are saying about me is true....when I
know it isn't, what do you expect me to think? I have the advantageous
perspective of knowing what and how I think. You and Dean on the other
hand, are taking wild guesses...based on who knows what.....and are coming
out so wrong that it is sometimes hard for me to refrain from literally
laughing out loud as to your perceptive abilities. Yeah....you guys are
having an effect on me for sure, but it isn't the effect you wanted, or
even hoped for.
I learned long ago that people can be saying one thing, and sometimes even
believe it, while revealing their real feelings with signals in their words,
body language, expression. I do not have the advantage of seeing your
expressions and body language, but your response to Dean revealed much.
That's why your comments at the beginning of this post are so
interesting. Why would anybody with any common sense think I would be
enamored with somebody who uses falsehoods to try to intimidate me into
believing other things they say? Do you understand how logically asinine
this is from my perspective, Perry?
"Enamored" is not what I said or meant. Where did you get that idea? 'Awe'
and 'fear' do not equate with "enamor". Imagine how the demons in Matt 8:29
must have felt when Jesus prepared to cast him out of the demoniacs. That is
how I perceived you at that moment. Matt 8:29: "And, behold, they cried
out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou
come hither to torment us before the time?"
Fourth, TT IS a battleground when Satan enters the camp, regardless of
from which of his strongholds he enters.
DAVEH: Really? I did not know that. I thought even atheists, devil
worshiper or the devil himself would be welcome to post on TT if they so
wished.
You miss the point. All are welcome, but they must be prepared to have their
heresy refuted. Who knows, one or more of those you mention may already be
on TT!
Notwithstanding that, let's just suppose that you are right (and I'd be
curious to hear DavidM's perspective on that, since he's the one who set TT
up and laid the ground rules) and that Satan is fair game for battle.
Would you use truth to wage war against evil, or would you use lies and
mistruth to fight him?
Pretty childish question from my perspective. The truth of Jesus Christ will
always prevail over evil. I think that is why you get so bent out of shape,
call TT untruthful, "play" with protestants and their beliefs. No real
Christian would stoop to Satan's level to fight him. He must be fought with
the Sword of the Word. Read Mathew 4:1-11. that is our model for refuting
Satan. Why do you think I rebut your mormon lies and heresies with Biblical
truth rather than heresy and lies like you present? Hey, maybe you use those
because lies and heresy are the tools of Satan, the very legacy of the
founder of the mormon church!
From my perspective, that's what I see happening by some who want to wage a
battle with me. Truth has taken a back seat when it comes to TT
Christianity, as I see it.
Yeah, but what do you know about truth? That sounds funny coming from one so
mired up in the lies, deceit and heresies of the mormon church.
The father of your faith is the Devil, and JS was his minion in spreading
the lies. Satans fingerprints are all over it. You cannot see it due to
your blindness and pride.
DAVEH: FTR....I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry.
Why am I not surprised? I would expect no less from a devout mormon.
Fifth, you, David, are the one that brings untruth.
DAVEH: Care to give an example?
Dave, I have given you examples for 2.75 years, Kevin has given examples,
Dean has given examples, and who knows how many others through your life.
You must not have ears to hear. How can so many people give you so many
examples, and yet you say, "Care to give an example?" When you are given
valid examples, you play the "artful dodger" game, the "mormon side-step",
appealing to heretical and unbiblical doctrines and texts to prove a lie, or
deny the truth...works both ways.
The debates between Christians on TT are, for the most prt "in-house"
debates
DAVEH: Huh?!?!?! Who made that rule? I thought TT was set up to
encourage those who have divergent beliefs to participate in discussions
with and between Christians and non Christians. Am I wrong on that? Maybe
I'm on the wrong forum. If this is a place that is unfit for Mormons,
atheists or others who do not prescribe to the tenets of Protestantism,
then you might have a point, Perry. But I was under the impression that TT
was not set up to exclude people.
Again, you miss the point. An "in-house" debate is a debate between members
of a group about things within the group. Christians in this case. That
would be similar to you and Blaine discussing some mormon heresy together on
TT. No problem...I would not feel excluded, and could certainly jump in if I
wanted to...just like you often jump into in-house debates among Christians.
Don't be so sensitive Dave...you are not being excluded, although you keep
trying to acuse me of that. If you don't feel like you belong on TT, that is
you problem. But, when you bring heresy and lies into this camp, expect to
be refuted.
...issues between Christians that can be debated and, in my opinion,
should not separate. However, YOUR religion is the one that states that
all other religions are an abomnination to god, and that none of them are
correct. It is YOUR religion that divides, Dave, not Christianity.
DAVEH: From what I've seen on TT, I think you may have misplaced the
blame, Perry.
Dave, there is still time for you. The clock does not run out until the
day you die, then it will be too late. Your may think otherwise, but that
does not change the eternal truth.
DAVEH: Nor does what you think or believe change the /eternal truth/.
You are presuming you hold the /eternal truth/, and I don't. As you
already know, I find little reason to think you do.
That is not my idea, Dave, I got that from the Bible.
Free yourself from Satan's hold immediately. Renounce the heresy of JS and
the mormon church. Repent and pray for God to forgive you for following
false gods. Then find a bible-teaching and preaching church to attend, and
bathe yourself in the forgiving mercies of our Lord! Or, continue in your
pride and heresy until your death, at which time you will realize how many
tried to reach you in the name of Christ, but you refused. You will have
no one to blame but yourself.
DAVEH: Forgive me for not heeding your advice, Perry....but I will trust
my faith in Jesus Christ to save me, and continue ignoring those who preach
lies.
Your jesus or the Biblical Jesus? They are not the same. And, if you are
calling me a liar in the above statement, either prove it or retract it.
Perry
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