Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know

[Dave Hansen]

Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church. DAVEH:   Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry.  FWIW........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church .........WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think Kevin has been implying.  It seems......... The leaders of what would become known as the Landmark movement were James Robinson Graves, James Madison Pendleton, and Amos Cooper Dayton (sometimes called the Great Triumvirate). ..........lived in the mid 19th Century and fostered the notion that organization had its inception at the time of Jesus.  Do you believe that as they do, Perry?  Or...do you believe they were founded by the Great Triumvirate?     As you know, Perry.....my interest is in the Protestants.  So, those Baptists who lay claim to Protestant roots are those who I tend to cast my focus.  That there are small congregations or individuals who claim not to be Protestant don't capture my attention at this point.  But....If there are Baptists who are rooted in Protestantism....that's what I am curious about.  So....that Kevin (or you) are referring to small groups who are not associated with Protestantism is really not pertinent to my interests. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, do you consider the Wikipedia to be a reliable source of truth? Who wrote the article? Who are these "Christian church historians". Why is the word "protestant" in quotes? This article has no credits and no citations. Why should it carry any weight other than the fact that it mentions a few points you are trying to make? But, if you prefer Wikipedia for your source of truth, then perhaps you should have read on... "The name Protestant is rejected by some Baptists because Baptists do not have a direct connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church. They do not feel that they are protesting anything and Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church. Other Baptists accept the Protestant label as a demographic concept that describes churches who share similar theologies of sola scriptura, sola fide, the priesthood of all believers and other positions that Luther, Calvin and traditional reformers held in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church in the 1500s." Notice that first line? On the other hand, I prefer the term "Christian" to any other labels...those who are members of the Body of Christ, regardless of from which tradition they come, what "denomination" of fellowship they attend, and who get their truth from the Word of God. This may also include personal revelation that is in line with Biblical truths and principles. So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by or through a magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from the Body of Christ. Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800 DAVEH:  Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided, Kevin?  DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from WIKI........ /The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "*Protestant*" group baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come to them from other bodies, any of the 16th century "radical" dissenters, or the denominations descending from the followers of Menno Simons. The use of the term Anabaptism does not necessarily imply claims to uniformity between the groups thus denominated. Today the descendants of the 16th century European movement (particularly the Amish, Hutterites, & Mennonites) are the most common bodies referred to as Anabaptist. Yet other bodies (such as the early English Baptists) were also referred to by their enemies as Anabaptists, and are clearly Anabaptists in the generally accepted sense of the term. The majority of Baptists further engage in a practice others consider "rebaptizing" in that they usually rebaptize even adult believers who were baptized by some mode other than immersion. _Christian church historians generally believe that there is no historical continuity between anabaptists in the first few centuries of the Christianity and later anabaptist groups._/ ..........Does that not explain the situation?  Modern day Baptists are Protestants. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.