Amen on this one.
Jd
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:54 -0800
Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a "protestant".
Dave,
If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELF A "PROTESTANT" PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS QUESTIONS AT YOU? While the fellowships I attend may have stemmed from the protestant movement, I do not consider myself a "protestant", per se, even though I share some beliefs that protestants have....but I consider myself a member of the Body of Christ, the "church universal". It transcends all man-made denominations and sects and relies on scripture and not any particular tradition.
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subj ect: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
>Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:59:27 -0800
>
>* Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.*
>
>DAVEH: Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry. FWIW........
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church
>
>..........WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think >Kevin has been implying. It seems.........
>
>/The leaders of what would become known as the Landmark movement were James >Robinson Graves, James Madison Pendleton, and Amos Cooper Dayton (sometimes >called the Great Triumvirate)./
>
>..........lived in the mid 19th Century and fostered the notion that >organization had its inception at the time of Jesus. Do you believe that >as they do, Perry? Or...do you believe they were founded by the /Great >Triumvirate/?
>
> As you know, Perry.....my interest is in the Protestants. So, those >Baptists who lay claim to Protestant roots are those who I tend to cast my >focus. That there are small congregations or individuals who claim not to >be Protestant don't capture my attention at this point. But....If there >are Baptists who are rooted in Protestantism....that's what I am curious >about. So....that Kevin (or you) are referring to small groups who are not >associated with Protestantism is really not pertinent to my interests.
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>Dave, do you consider the Wikipedia to be a reliable source of truth? Who >>wrote the article? Who are these "Christian church historians". Why is the >>word "protestant" in quotes? This article has no credits and no citations. >>Why should it carry any weight other than the fact that it mentions a few >>points you ar e trying to make?
>>
>>But, if you prefer Wikipedia for your source of truth, then perhaps you >>should have read on...
>>
>>"The name Protestant is rejected by some Baptists because Baptists do not >>have a direct connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church. >>They do not feel that they are protesting anything and* Landmark Baptists >>believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.* Other Baptists accept >>the Protestant label as a demographic concept that describes churches who >>share similar theologies of sola scriptura, sola fide, the priesthood of >>all believers and other positions that Luther, Calvin and traditional >>reformers held in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church in the 1500s."
>>
>>Notice that first line?
>>
>>On the other hand, I prefer the term "Christian" to any other >>labels...those who are members of the Body of Christ, r egardless of from >>which tradition they come, what "denomination" of fellowship they attend, >>and who get their truth from the Word of God. This may also include >>personal revelation that is in line with Biblical truths and principles. >>So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by or through a >>magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from >>the Body of Christ.
>>
>>Perry
>>
>>
>>>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
>>>Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800
>>>
>>>DAVEH: Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided, >>>Kevin? DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from WIKI........
>>>
>>>/The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "*Protestant*" group >>>baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come to them >>>from other bodies, any of the 16th century "radical" dissenters, or the >>>denominations descending from the followers of Menno Simons. The use of >>>the term Anabaptism does not necessarily imply claims to uniformity >>>between the groups thus denominated. Today the descendants of the 16th >>>century European movement (particularly the Amish, Hutterites, & >>>Mennonites) are the most common bodies referred to as Anabaptist. Yet >>>other bodies (such as the early English Baptists) were also referred to >>>by their enemies as Anabaptists, and are clearly Anabaptists in the >>>generally accepted sense of the term. T he majority of Baptists further >>>engage in a practice others consider "rebaptizing" in that they usually >>>rebaptize even adult believers who were baptized by some mode other than >>>immersion. _Christian church historians generally believe that there is >>>no historical continuity between anabaptists in the first few centuries >>>of the Christianity and later anabaptist groups._/
>>>
>>>..........Does that not explain the situation? Modern day Baptists are >>>Protestants.
>>
>
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If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELF A "PROTESTANT" PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS QUESTIONS AT YOU? While the fellowships I attend may have stemmed from the protestant movement, I do not consider myself a "protestant", per se, even though I share some beliefs that protestants have....but I consider myself a member of the Body of Christ, the "church universal". It transcends all man-made denominations and sects and relies on scripture and not any particular tradition.
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subj ect: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
>Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:59:27 -0800
>
>* Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.*
>
>DAVEH: Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry. FWIW........
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church
>
>..........WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think >Kevin has been implying. It seems.........
>
>/The leaders of what would become known as the Landmark movement were James >Robinson Graves, James Madison Pendleton, and Amos Cooper Dayton (sometimes >called the Great Triumvirate)./
>
>..........lived in the mid 19th Century and fostered the notion that >organization had its inception at the time of Jesus. Do you believe that >as they do, Perry? Or...do you believe they were founded by the /Great >Triumvirate/?
>
> As you know, Perry.....my interest is in the Protestants. So, those >Baptists who lay claim to Protestant roots are those who I tend to cast my >focus. That there are small congregations or individuals who claim not to >be Protestant don't capture my attention at this point. But....If there >are Baptists who are rooted in Protestantism....that's what I am curious >about. So....that Kevin (or you) are referring to small groups who are not >associated with Protestantism is really not pertinent to my interests.
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>Dave, do you consider the Wikipedia to be a reliable source of truth? Who >>wrote the article? Who are these "Christian church historians". Why is the >>word "protestant" in quotes? This article has no credits and no citations. >>Why should it carry any weight other than the fact that it mentions a few >>points you ar e trying to make?
>>
>>But, if you prefer Wikipedia for your source of truth, then perhaps you >>should have read on...
>>
>>"The name Protestant is rejected by some Baptists because Baptists do not >>have a direct connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church. >>They do not feel that they are protesting anything and* Landmark Baptists >>believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.* Other Baptists accept >>the Protestant label as a demographic concept that describes churches who >>share similar theologies of sola scriptura, sola fide, the priesthood of >>all believers and other positions that Luther, Calvin and traditional >>reformers held in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church in the 1500s."
>>
>>Notice that first line?
>>
>>On the other hand, I prefer the term "Christian" to any other >>labels...those who are members of the Body of Christ, r egardless of from >>which tradition they come, what "denomination" of fellowship they attend, >>and who get their truth from the Word of God. This may also include >>personal revelation that is in line with Biblical truths and principles. >>So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by or through a >>magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from >>the Body of Christ.
>>
>>Perry
>>
>>
>>>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
>>>Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800
>>>
>>>DAVEH: Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided, >>>Kevin? DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from WIKI........
>>>
>>>/The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "*Protestant*" group >>>baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come to them >>>from other bodies, any of the 16th century "radical" dissenters, or the >>>denominations descending from the followers of Menno Simons. The use of >>>the term Anabaptism does not necessarily imply claims to uniformity >>>between the groups thus denominated. Today the descendants of the 16th >>>century European movement (particularly the Amish, Hutterites, & >>>Mennonites) are the most common bodies referred to as Anabaptist. Yet >>>other bodies (such as the early English Baptists) were also referred to >>>by their enemies as Anabaptists, and are clearly Anabaptists in the >>>generally accepted sense of the term. T he majority of Baptists further >>>engage in a practice others consider "rebaptizing" in that they usually >>>rebaptize even adult believers who were baptized by some mode other than >>>immersion. _Christian church historians generally believe that there is >>>no historical continuity between anabaptists in the first few centuries >>>of the Christianity and later anabaptist groups._/
>>>
>>>..........Does that not explain the situation? Modern day Baptists are >>>Protestants.
>>
>
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>http://www.langlitz.com
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